2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm not certain DeBrusk takes away a spot from Coronato or Pelletier. If anything, he probably takes a spot away from Klapka or Schwindt ... but I'm not certain those guys are NHL material anyway and spots should open up later when the Flames move 88 and/or 96. Interesting thought experiment for sure.

Exactly. I think the spot Debrusk would take would be Mangiapanne’s, or Kuzmenko’s, or Sharagovich’s, or Coleman’s. I think at least 2 of those 4 are moved this season.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Exactly. I think the spot Debrisk would take would be Mangiapanne’s, or Kuznetzov’s, or Sharagovich’s, or Coleman’s. I think at least 2 of those 4 are moved this season.

I think you must mean Kuzmenko.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think you must mean Kuzmenko.

Yes, Kuzmenko. Autocorrect got that on my phone. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I think people are just being realists. We are not one or 2 signings away from being a contender.

We were one of the worst teams in the league after the trade deadline. Realistically, this is a bottom 5 team as currently constructed. Not even close to being a contender. We also know it benefits us way more long term to be terrible next year.

So why would we sign a guy like Debrusk when we don't want to win a bunch next year? And I know we are never going to "tank" but signing some players so we end up finishing 12th last instead of getting a top 5 pick would just be a crazy short sighted decision.

People don't want the Flames to lose, they want the Flames to be good in a few years. And you can't be a contender without a few really good picks.

Not really being realists then if they are worried that Jake DeBrusk will take a team from bottom 5 to middle of the pack in the league.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not really being realists then if they are worried that Jake DeBrusk will take a team from bottom 5 to middle of the pack in the league.

Yup. I don’t think there is any combination of UFAs that will actually sign with Calgary that will lift them out of the bottom

[CFO]

I don't Peltier is going to amount to much.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But keep in mind it's a critical rebuilding year in terms of where we finish because of the terms of the Monahan trade. If we bring in players to try to be competitive and everyone goes "lol, don't worry we won't be any good with a few roster adds" and those roster adds get us to the 11th OA pick instead of 10th OA....we literally lose that pick to Montreal.

There is no chance that a signing like Debrusk lifts them out of the bottom 10. And if it does, if they find themselves in the 11-15 range halfway through the season, they need only trade more guys. Trade Sharangovich and Kuzmenko and the offense dries up. Trade Andersson and their D goes to ####.

It really isn't that hard, and isn't anything to worry about. They are going to be bad next year (no matter what management says publicly)

[Royle9]

Just to be sure, outside of the house buying rumour did anyone post anything specific to a trade/signing rumour in Calgary?

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by CFO

I don't Peltier is going to amount to much.

What's that now?

[shotinthebacklund]

I have heard there is a player on buffalo with interest in being traded to calgary. I wonder if Buffalo could be a interesting partner in the trade field.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I have heard there is a player on buffalo with interest in being traded to calgary. I wonder if Buffalo could be a interesting partner in the trade field.

Who's this now?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I have heard there is a player on buffalo with interest in being traded to calgary. I wonder if Buffalo could be a interesting partner in the trade field.

Krebs maybe?

From okotoks, maybe wants to be closer to home

[Geeoff]

Hmm I was interested in doom posting and it seems that a pick from 6-15 has a 90% chance of becoming an NHLer and a late 1st has a 50% chance, so there is a drop off there.




Conclusion is WE ARE DOOMED IF WE GET #11

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup. I don’t think there is any combination of UFAs that will actually sign with Calgary that will lift them out of the bottom

Especially if they trade Markstrom and run with the type of D they presently have.

[1qqaaz]

In 2015, 18 of the 2nd round picks played over 150 games so far.
For 2011, it's 17. For 2016, it's 15 so far.

The stronger drafts can be quite a bit deeper than the weaker drafts. 2012 and 2013 are notoriously more shallow.

Gotta think that the perceived strength of an upcoming draft affects draft capital strategies.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not sure I agree with anything in here.

The Flames should have plenty of cap space over the next handful of seasons. It seems more than likely both Markstrom and Mangiapanne will be moved either before the season or during it. You can put Kuzmenko in there as wel. Perhaps Sharangovich is extended, but what if he doesn’t want to? Are there any players right now that you can foresee requiring a huge increase on their next deal? I don’t. The Flames will have space. How much do they need and how much do you think teams are going to want to offload bad contracts? I doubt, very much, that’s the model the Flames will follw. I’m sure they’ll make some shrewd moves like they did in acquiring Sharangovich and Kuzmenko but I doubt they’re intent on becoming the Arizona Coyotes of the league.

I also don’t follow your point about how Debrusk wouldn’t be able to help teach the younger players.how can you possibly know? Only past their prime superstars can do that? So, Weegar, Kadri, Backlund don’t have much to offer there, I suppose? On any winning team I’d bet you don’t need to look hard to find a few solid vets to that helped mentor young players and they don’t need to be former superstars. Also, I think there’s a slim to zero chance P.Kane is ever a Flame. Pavelski has already said he’s done. Stamkos? If people are concerned about overpaying Debrusk, what do you think it’s going to take to lure Stamkos to Calgary? 7x11? I’ll take Debrusk.

I think it’s a pretty safe bet to think at least two, maybe all of, Kuzmenko, Mangiapanne, Coleman, Sharangovich are moved before the TDL.

I'd rather have/keep Kuzmenko than Debrusk, but that's me. That's because we only have a couple of players that have shown the ability to consistently generate offense. As you said, we still have to make a bunch of moves before bringing in a DeBrusk. Moreover, this type of player is pretty easy to find in free agency, and isn't much different than Coleman/Mangiapane.

IMO, we shouldn't be going after players that won't result in getting more picks an /or prospects in the near future. The exception to that are players that are likely to improve the development of our prospects.

That's the point I was trying to make with stars post their prime. The stars all have/had an elite skill. Moreover, those stars usually have a very high compete level, and put a ton of work into their bodies to maintain a certain level of play. I thought that Pavelski had a huge impact on how Robertson and Hintz have developed. I'm sure MacKinnon learned a ton from having Iginla around. D. Keith helped the Oilers D improve significantly in his short stint there. It's an ingredient that always seems to be a part of creating the new generation of stars. I'm not suggesting signing a guy like Stamkos to anything more than 2 years, but I would be more than okay with a short term overpay.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

In 2015, 18 of the 2nd round picks played over 150 games so far.
For 2011, it's 17. For 2016, it's 15 so far.

The stronger drafts can be quite a bit deeper than the weaker drafts. 2012 and 2013 are notoriously more shallow.

Gotta think that the perceived strength of an upcoming draft affects draft capital strategies.

So in that context are teams hanging onto players for too long, or are they draftees not good enough?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Krebs maybe?

From okotoks, maybe wants to be closer to home

Looking at their roster, could be any of Krebs, Jost, Oloffson.

Krebs is an RFA so it'd have to be a trade.

You know, looking at the Sabers. They could go hunting this offseason to make so big steps in surrounding their youth with some vet leadership.

Lots of roster space on the main squad to wiggle around in.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Looking at their roster, could be any of Krebs, Jost, Oloffson.

Krebs is an RFA so it'd have to be a trade.

You know, looking at the Sabers. They could go hunting this offseason to make so big steps in surrounding their youth with some vet leadership.

Lots of roster space on the main squad to wiggle around in.

Of those 3 I’d have the most interest in krebs. I doubt he turns into the top line guy they’d hoped for, but could be a solid middle 6 option who still has lots of room to develop.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'd rather have/keep Kuzmenko than Debrusk, but that's me. That's because we only have a couple of players that have shown the ability to consistently generate offense. As you said, we still have to make a bunch of moves before bringing in a DeBrusk. Moreover, this type of player is pretty easy to find in free agency, and isn't much different than Coleman/Mangiapane.

IMO, we shouldn't be going after players that won't result in getting more picks an /or prospects in the near future. The exception to that are players that are likely to improve the development of our prospects.

That's the point I was trying to make with stars post their prime. The stars all have/had an elite skill. Moreover, those stars usually have a very high compete level, and put a ton of work into their bodies to maintain a certain level of play. I thought that Pavelski had a huge impact on how Robertson and Hintz have developed. I'm sure MacKinnon learned a ton from having Iginla around. D. Keith helped the Oilers D improve significantly in his short stint there. It's an ingredient that always seems to be a part of creating the new generation of stars. I'm not suggesting signing a guy like Stamkos to anything more than 2 years, but I would be more than okay with a short term overpay.

Well, Kuzmenko will be interesting. Remember, Calgary was on his NTC list and he had to be convinced to waive. Is he interested in staying and for how much? On the other hand, apparently, Debrusk wants to come here. I alluded to it but that’s not so common among NHLers, unfortunately. A not insignificant amount probably view western Canada and Calgary as a less preferred location to play/live.

I’m not even sure all those spots would need to be opened up before signing Debrusk. Maybe there’s opportunity to move one this offseason but Mang and Kuzmenko, specifically, look like TDL deals to me. I think the Flames can thread the needle here by bringing young players along while pumping and dumping a couple pending UFA’s.

I still think signing Stamkos is not a realistic option for the Flames. I think a more realistic example would be Cale Makar in 2027. But that could be a pipe dream too. I’m sure Colorado will do everything in its power to keep him.