2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by jayswin

But keep in mind it's a critical rebuilding year in terms of where we finish because of the terms of the Monahan trade. If we bring in players to try to be competitive and everyone goes "lol, don't worry we won't be any good with a few roster adds" and those roster adds get us to the 11th OA pick instead of 10th OA....we literally lose that pick to Montreal.

I get that but do you think any additions they make will lift the the team from a bottom ten finish? I sure don’t.
They lost a top pairing dman, a second pairing dman, a solid #5, and their #1 centre. Markstrom was dragging the pre trade deadline team to a middling finish and then the wheels fell off once the Flames dismantled their team.
No UFAs that will make a material difference will sign with the Flames.
If they trade Markstrom and don’t replace him then I don’t really care what Conroy says publicly. It’s a full on rebuild.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol do you really think there is anything they can do in the offseason that will give them a better roster than last year?
Mangiapane wants out, Markstrom wants out, and who knows on Kuzmenko and Sharangovich.

After the March 8th Trade Deadline, the Flames went 7-13-0, good for 0.350 hockey. That should be the target next season. .350 would put them in 3rd last this season.

The Flames should not be adding at all. They're at the threshold they need to be right now.

I would like to see them go into next season with effectively no roster changes outside of Markstrom out and Wolf in 100%.

As-is today, the Flames have $67.875M on the books for 24/25. Retain on Marky, and sign Wolf to $2M'ish, and we're probably around $66.5M, and just need to sign/call-up two defencemen.

That's what the Flames should be doing. On paper, they're good enough to be a bottom-3 team next season - and protecting that should be their goal. Anything they do to add to their team is doing literally nothing but putting their own drafting position at risk (and thanks to Treliving, their own actual pick).

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I get that but do you think any additions they make will lift the the team from a bottom ten finish? I sure don’t.
They lost a top pairing dman, a second pairing dman, a solid #5, and their #1 centre. Markstrom was dragging the pre trade deadline team to a middling finish and then the wheels fell off once the Flames dismantled their team.
No UFAs that will make a material difference will sign with the Flames.
If they trade Markstrom and don’t replace him then I don’t really care what Conroy says publicly. It’s a full on rebuild.

We really have no idea what moves they're going to make so it's impossible to say.

If they sign derusk, trade for Necas, keep Markstrom (or trade him for a package that brings back allen + bahl) and then sign a
One or two guys like demelo/pesce/walker/roy/montour this could push them out of the bottom 10.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by traptor

We really have no idea what moves they're going to make so it's impossible to say.

If they sign derusk, trade for Necas, keep Markstrom (or trade him for a package that brings back allen + bahl) and then sign a
One or two guys like demelo/pesce/walker/roy/montour this could push them out of the bottom 10.

And then Montreal gets our 11 OA pick in 2025. Yay.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

After the March 8th Trade Deadline, the Flames went 7-13-0, good for 0.350 hockey. That should be the target next season. .350 would put them in 3rd last this season.

The Flames should not be adding at all. They're at the threshold they need to be right now.

I would like to see them go into next season with effectively no roster changes outside of Markstrom out and Wolf in 100%.

As-is today, the Flames have $67.875M on the books for 24/25. Retain on Marky, and sign Wolf to $2M'ish, and we're probably around $66.5M, and just need to sign/call-up two defencemen.

That's what the Flames should be doing. On paper, they're good enough to be a bottom-3 team next season - and protecting that should be their goal. Anything they do to add to their team is doing literally nothing but putting their own drafting position at risk (and thanks to Treliving, their own actual pick).

Man, you e been on about this for years. The Flames won’t willfully tear it down.

If they finish near the bottom and win the lottery, great. I’m sure they would take that. That said, it appears to be clear that the Flames see value in maintaining a competitive culture, whereas it seems you don’t. You advocate for the opposite, that the flames embrace losing and a loser mentality.

You keep clamouring for this down to studs rebuild that isn’t a gaurantee to anything. Even a single first overall or even second overall, see Detroit. Buffalo has had luck with the lottery but since they’ve taken the rebuild strategy you’re so enamoured with, they’ve missed the playoffs for 13 straight years. Do even having several lottery wins hasn’t gotten them back to the playoffs or even competitive games in April.

Calgary is not Chicago, LA, TB, NY, NJ, or even Pittsburgh. Calgary doesn’t have the same draw or appeal especially to those who weren’t raised in western Canada. Calgary is not going to have almost any/every UFA willing to listen to offers. Calgary is on many, or most, players NTC/NMC. Even the draft, which I believe you’ve argued is the best way to build a cup contender, Calgary has had to deal with players like Adam Fox. Put another way, Calgary is going to have a tougher time bouncing back after they’ve hit rock bottom. ‘Tanking’ could send this organization into a decade of darkness as they put it up north and had the drug peddler up north not bought them who knows where they would be.

That’s why when a player like a solid NHL player like Jake Debrusk, who isn’t a star, it probably serves the Flames well to explore the opportunity. Further, I doubt very much adding a guy like Debrusk would jeopardize the Flames finishing in the bottom 10 next year. So, no need for you to lose any sleep over that.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And then Montreal gets our 11 OA pick in 2025. Yay.

Yeah it would be terrible decision but it's still an open path for them to go down.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

After the March 8th Trade Deadline, the Flames went 7-13-0, good for 0.350 hockey. That should be the target next season. .350 would put them in 3rd last this season.

The Flames should not be adding at all. They're at the threshold they need to be right now.

I would like to see them go into next season with effectively no roster changes outside of Markstrom out and Wolf in 100%.

As-is today, the Flames have $67.875M on the books for 24/25. Retain on Marky, and sign Wolf to $2M'ish, and we're probably around $66.5M, and just need to sign/call-up two defencemen.

That's what the Flames should be doing. On paper, they're good enough to be a bottom-3 team next season - and protecting that should be their goal. Anything they do to add to their team is doing literally nothing but putting their own drafting position at risk (and thanks to Treliving, their own actual pick).

you need to let it go, the Flames aren't going to purposely be as bad is possible.

[Ped]

Everyone hoping the Flames are terrible next season - it's understandable, but you also have to consider how all that losing affects the young players. Particularly Wolf.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Ped

Everyone hoping the Flames are terrible next season - it's understandable, but you also have to consider how all that losing affects the young players. Particularly Wolf.

Is being mediocre better for these young players? I guess we do need to make sure they understand the culture here that’s a good point

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

And then Montreal gets our 11 OA pick in 2025. Yay.

Whoop. Seriously, there is way too much focus on tanking to protect that pick that everybody seems to think is locked in at 11 because of course it has to be the most negative result.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you need to let it go, the Flames aren't going to purposely be as bad is possible.

I think most of us can see that and agree that is correct.

But the longer Calgary tries to retool, the closer they are likely getting to becoming a complete tear down, although not intentionally.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

We really have no idea what moves they're going to make so it's impossible to say.

If they sign derusk, trade for Necas, keep Markstrom (or trade him for a package that brings back allen + bahl) and then sign a
One or two guys like demelo/pesce/walker/roy/montour this could push them out of the bottom 10.

I don’t think any of those UFAs are signing in Calgary especially if we are believing all of Conroy’s public statements and don’t ignore where he said he wasn’t signing UFAs to long term contracts. Even trading for Necas won’t move the needle on getting them out of the bottom ten.

[TOfan]

I think the people who are worried about the Montreal pick are only giving themselves something to worry about.

Look at the Flames D.

The Flames probably won’t come out and publicly acknowledge they are rebuilding but their roster certainly seems to indicate as much. Mix in a Markstrom trade and one or two others then that top 10 pick seems almost assured if it isn’t already.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Whoop. Seriously, there is way too much focus on tanking to protect that pick that everybody seems to think is locked in at 11 because of course it has to be the most negative result.

I think people are just being realists. We are not one or 2 signings away from being a contender.

We were one of the worst teams in the league after the trade deadline. Realistically, this is a bottom 5 team as currently constructed. Not even close to being a contender. We also know it benefits us way more long term to be terrible next year.

So why would we sign a guy like Debrusk when we don't want to win a bunch next year? And I know we are never going to "tank" but signing some players so we end up finishing 12th last instead of getting a top 5 pick would just be a crazy short sighted decision.

People don't want the Flames to lose, they want the Flames to be good in a few years. And you can't be a contender without a few really good picks.

[activeStick]

Yeah, I don't see any way the Flames finish outside the bottom 10. They will try to replace Hanifin and Tanev with a trade/signing for 1 guy but I don't see another guy coming in. To me, it's clear that Mangiapane and the Flames mutually are ready to move on, so a Debrusk acquisition just backfills that hole. I'm thinking Wolf will be good one day in the NHL but it'll take time. Vladar is what he is. The Flames aren't going to be fighting for a playoff spot next season lol.

[dissentowner]

Believe me, I am not advocating signing DeBrusk. I just find it funny that whenever anyone discusses us having to give our pick to Montreal it is always pick #11.

[FlamesAddiction]

Signing DeBrusk doesn't changes anything by itself. If the team finishes outside of the top 10, it will be because a lot of things come together at the same time which is unlikely. This team lacks top tier talent, and DeBrusk doesn't fix that. Wolf and Vladar are also not going to carry the team. Wolf is a good goalie prospect, but I don't expect him to play like a bonafide number 1 NHL goalie next season. I think he is still a work in progress.

Signing some like DeBrusk could be a small piece of the puzzle to getting the team back into contention for the playoffs in a few seasons though as it would free up other assets that could be moved. The strategy need to apply to DeBrusk specifically and I don't have any strong opinions on him.


The tongue in cheek comment about Montreal getting the 11th OA was more about keeping Markstrom than signing free agents.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Believe me, I am not advocating signing DeBrusk. I just find it funny that whenever anyone discusses us having to give our pick to Montreal it is always pick #11.

I think its more so that lots see it as bottom 10 or bust.

We're almost certainly going to be worse then Florida, I think that's safe to say.

It doesn't matter if we're picking 11th, 15th or 20th. They're all bad outcomes because we're losing the higher pick and for what? We don't have the pieces to seriously compete and we're not going to get them anytime soon down any if those roads.

[Freeway]

In my mind, the choice feels like DeBrusk or having winger spots for some of the young guys to battle for.

[TheScorpion]

I'm not certain DeBrusk takes away a spot from Coronato or Pelletier. If anything, he probably takes a spot away from Klapka or Schwindt ... but I'm not certain those guys are NHL material anyway and spots should open up later when the Flames move 88 and/or 96. Interesting thought experiment for sure.