2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

We have conditionally traded our 1st and 3rd next year to MTL. I'm pretty sure we can't use them for offersheets. So we can offersheet players at less than $1.5M for no compensation, or between $2.3-4.6M for the 25' 2nd.

Lundell could be an interesting target around the $4.5M range. The same applies to Pinto.

Forgot about the 3rd. One final parting gift from Brad I guess.

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I really wish offer sheets were used more often, but they're such a rarity that it's probably not even worth discussing the options/possibilities.

Would love to be wrong on that though, they're fun.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Saw this funny one on twitter.

Pavel Dorofeyev, Chandler Stephenson, Nicolas Hauge and Brady Skjei.

With Wolf and Vladar in net.

Definition of mid.

I don't live in Calgary anymore, but no way would i reward this path of mediocrity by buying seasons tickets.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Revisionism at its finest.

Feaster wasn't fired for trading Iginla. He was fired for getting poor value for his top players when the team was trying (you guessed it) to rebuild. Burke specifically criticized him for that.

There was no ‘mad scramble’ to get back into the playoffs. Everyone, including Treliving, expected 2014-15 to be a rebuilding year. In fact, the Flames traded Glencross for picks at the deadline.

It is true that the surprise playoff appearance in 2015 had management thinking they were further along than they were. But that's not the story you're trying to spin here.

I argue that a building teams go into the off-season and signs Jonas Hiller, Deryk Engelland, and Mason Raymond to market value deals with term. They did that, and made it to the playoffs - and then went even further down that path by making "now" focused moves in 2015. They traded futures for Dougie Hamilton to help compete right away, extended a 32 year old Mark Giordano to a 6 year deal and were trying to make the playoffs.

Burke etc. all very openly said that the draft lottery was not part of a strategy that helps you win. Well, history has shown he was absolutely wrong and the modern NHL had passed him by.

Yeah, Treliving made some proactive in-season moves in this stretch (Glencross, Hudler trades), but he was doing very much what I'd consider a "re-tool on the fly" and not a rebuild. They didn't believe that drafting at the top of the 1st round was critical to building a winner, and Conroy has openly said the same thing (I believe it was in an interview with TSN or the Athletic where he openly acknowledged that yes, it means we won't draft at the top of the draft and we won't get a MacKinnon etc. because of it - I'll look for the interview to reference here)

Conroy seems to want to take the same approach Treliving did, and I imagine it will yield very similar results. The Flames will find some good players in the draft, but they won't acquire the players you need to build a championship and it's due to this philosophy of publically saying they don't want to establish a 'losing culture' despite the fact that they own one of the biggest losing cultures in the NHL.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just can't believe how many pages of argument can happen over the subjective interpretation of two words that start with "R".

Yup. Who cares what they call it. What matters is what they do.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yup. Who cares what they call it. What matters is what they do.

You’d think that, but then you sit through endless paragraphs of people reframing what they actually do to fit their own weird narrative lol.

“These moves mean suggest this”
“Well, actually, these moves suggest this other thing because if you read a quote from 2003 where this GM said this, and then you look at the intent and what was going on inside their head, you’ll see their true intentions which only I am qualified to understand. Ergo, the narrative I’ve created out of the last 40 years are predictive of the next 40 years.”

[Geeoff]

If Dan Vladar starts 40 games for the Flames, this team will be bottom 5 for sure

[Vinny01]

It is really laughable to see people try and argue the Flames didn’t rebuild post iginla like hilarious. They picked top 10 multiple times and had a team alertly built through the draft. They didn’t pick top 3 for 5 years but they built a new core through the draft and trades along with some free agency.

Trading for 22 year old Dougie Hamilton was a rebuilding move. Sure it cost futures but they got a guy who was a top 10 pick 4 years prior and coming off a 40+ point season at 21 years old. He was the main piece 3 years later that landed the Flames 2 5th overall picks and resulted in the Flames having 5 top 6 picks from the 13-16 drafts.

Signing an average starting goalie, middle 6 winger and bruising bottom pairing D in his first offseason was not done to avoid a tank. Gio and his 6 year extension were full value.

Florida has Barkov and Ekblad they drafted a decade + ago who are huge parts of their team but many of their core pieces came from trade and free agency.

After seeing Ottawa tear it to the studs and spin their tires for the last several seasons and still finishing lower than the flames in the standings surprises me that people still advocate this path for Calgary.

[Roof-Daddy]

Interested to watch the goaltending unfold next season.

People are very quick to write Vladar/Wolf off.

Vladar who was supposedly hampered by a bad hip which will be fixed, and Wolf who has a non NHL performance track record that is incredibly rare.

[Flamesfan05]

You have to pick top 5 multiple years AND have to fill out the rest of your team with GOOD trades and signings

You have to do both. That’s what all Stanley Cup winners have done.

Ottawa , Buffalo and Edmonton only did the tanking part.

Vegas was the only one that was able to trade themselves into a cup but even then they had the favorable expansion draft

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I argue that a building teams go into the off-season and signs Jonas Hiller, Deryk Engelland, and Mason Raymond to market value deals with term. They did that, and made it to the playoffs - and then went even further down that path by making "now" focused moves in 2015. They traded futures for Dougie Hamilton to help compete right away, extended a 32 year old Mark Giordano to a 6 year deal and were trying to make the playoffs.

Nah there was lots of talk that summer about signing players to get to the cap floor.

I think they were shocked that a team that thin and young, found a way to win despite every metric saying they sucked.

Then they won a playoff series, and started to hurry things up.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Interested to watch the goaltending unfold next season.

People are very quick to write Vladar/Wolf off.

Vladar who was supposedly hampered by a bad hip which will be fixed, and Wolf who has a non NHL performance track record that is incredibly rare.

Fixing a bad hip with surgery for a goalie is not promising. Hope he rebounds, but its an uphill climb for him to be much use next year.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Interested to watch the goaltending unfold next season.

People are very quick to write Vladar/Wolf off.

Vladar who was supposedly hampered by a bad hip which will be fixed, and Wolf who has a non NHL performance track record that is incredibly rare.

After this season we’ll know for sure what Vladar is, and we’ll have a really good idea what Wolf is too. They are going to get lots of reps and a ton of shots.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I argue that a building teams go into the off-season and signs Jonas Hiller, Deryk Engelland, and Mason Raymond to market value deals with term. They did that, and made it to the playoffs - and then went even further down that path by making "now" focused moves in 2015. They traded futures for Dougie Hamilton to help compete right away, extended a 32 year old Mark Giordano to a 6 year deal and were trying to make the playoffs.

Burke etc. all very openly said that the draft lottery was not part of a strategy that helps you win. Well, history has shown he was absolutely wrong and the modern NHL had passed him by.

Yeah, Treliving made some proactive in-season moves in this stretch (Glencross, Hudler trades), but he was doing very much what I'd consider a "re-tool on the fly" and not a rebuild. They didn't believe that drafting at the top of the 1st round was critical to building a winner, and Conroy has openly said the same thing (I believe it was in an interview with TSN or the Athletic where he openly acknowledged that yes, it means we won't draft at the top of the draft and we won't get a MacKinnon etc. because of it - I'll look for the interview to reference here)

Conroy seems to want to take the same approach Treliving did, and I imagine it will yield very similar results. The Flames will find some good players in the draft, but they won't acquire the players you need to build a championship and it's due to this philosophy of publically saying they don't want to establish a 'losing culture' despite the fact that they own one of the biggest losing cultures in the NHL.

But you are focused on the results. Florida Panthers are 1 of your examples of a team who did right. Why, they simply got 4 top 3 picks in 5 years?

The first 2 years the draft top 3, they added Huberdeau and Gudbranson, the 2 guys they do not still have for this years cup run of the 4 top picks. Huberdeau played a huge part in landing Tkachuk though.

Florida in the summer of 2011 signed/resigned the following:

Jose Theodore - 35 years old #1 goalie had a good year for them
Tomas Fleischmann - 27 year old led their team in scoring with 60 points
Sean Bergenheim - 27 years old
Scottie Upshall - 27 years old
Marcel Goc - 28 years old

They had 32-year-old Brian Campbell who was a 50-point dman and they kept him the entire rebuild.

They had a young Markstrom that didn't get to play much in favour of 35-year-old Theodore. They also randomly made the playoffs the next year and still had all these guys the following year and added a young Huberdeau when then tanked to the bottom and got Barkov and Ekblad

Tank to get star players but most successful rebuilds just got the top picks a few times without this idea you need to trade everyone to get there.

[Jason14h]

You don’t need to trade everyone , but the Flames also have an issue that their best players are their oldest

Outside of Rasmus , who is a core player who will be a part of a competing team in 3-5 years who people are suggesting trading ?

I understand keeping Weegar and potential Rasmus . That’s 1/3 of your D and they should still be contributing into the next competitive window

Everyone else ? Unless Shags and Kuz turn into core pieces I don’t see a lot . We don’t have former top picks in their early 20s that people are suggesting trading .

Our core is old and bad right now - which is a bad combo and really only allows a full rebuild.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You don’t need to trade everyone , but the Flames also have an issue that their best players are their oldest

Outside of Rasmus , who is a core player who will be a part of a competing team in 3-5 years who people are suggesting trading ?

I understand keeping Weegar and potential Rasmus . That’s 1/3 of your D and they should still be contributing into the next competitive window

Everyone else ? Unless Shags and Kuz turn into core pieces I don’t see a lot . We don’t have former top picks in their early 20s that people are suggesting trading .

Our core is old and bad right now - which is a bad combo and really only allows a full rebuild.

Brain Campbell, Jose Theodore, Fleischman were all big parts of the team when they sucked and got Barkov. Marcel Goc too, none were young. But when the Panthers got Barkov they added a lot more youth to the line up and they lost a ton.

Markstrom led goalies in games
Kulikov
Huberdeau
Skille
Mathais
Shore

These guys were all playing, and the team plummeted down the standings.

Next's years Flames team has no stars, will be loaded with youth that will make mistakes and fold against top teams. This team is bad already, we should be able to relax a bit that we need to do way more to get somewhere that we already are. Teams like Florida did not implement some plan to tank full SJ and it worked fine for them.

If we are pacing for 75 points this season, hopefully we sell at the deadline and hopefully getting bottom 3 is around 70.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Interested to watch the goaltending unfold next season.

People are very quick to write Vladar/Wolf off.

Vladar who was supposedly hampered by a bad hip which will be fixed, and Wolf who has a non NHL performance track record that is incredibly rare.

I am really looking forward to watching Wolf this year. The team is going to lose a lot and create a bunch of high quality chances with their D as it is right now, but we could be in for a real treat of exceptionally athletic saves from the kid -- even in losses.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

I am really looking forward to watching Wolf this year. The team is going to lose a lot and create a bunch of high quality chances with their D as it is right now, but we could be in for a real treat of exceptionally athletic saves from the kid -- even in losses.

That's why I don't mind talk around a player like Hague. He's been pushed down the depth chart in Vegas, perhaps a little unfairly, but is big and can protect the net. Young goalies get run, to see if it rattles them.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

You have to pick top 5 multiple years AND have to fill out the rest of your team with GOOD trades and signings

You have to do both. That’s what all Stanley Cup winners have done.

Ottawa , Buffalo and Edmonton only did the tanking part.

Vegas was the only one that was able to trade themselves into a cup but even then they had the favorable expansion draft

Agree with what you said, but it's a lot easier to trade yourself into a cup when players want to go there. Nobody has Vegas on a no trade list whereas Ottawa, Buffalo, Calgary etc most certainly is.

[Sec214]

I got a flag today from my source in the East that Calgary’s tone has changed on Markstrom and he believes that Calgary has gotten the “Value” they want and are engaging other parties for best offers.

He’s aware of 3 teams but thinks their is a couple more.