2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Someone posted the goalie stats during that span and Markstrom was awful - much worse than Wolf or Vladar. If Wolf and Vladar play like they did in that span, the Flames’ record will likely be worse than the first half of the season, but not as bad as the last 21 games.

Look at the ANA, SJ, and CHI rosters from this season. Now look at the Flames’ roster for next season. Between the vets on the roster (Kadri, Backlund, Kuzmenko, Sharangovich, Coleman, Weegar, Anderson), and younger players ready to take a next step (Zary, Pospisil, Coronato, Pelletier) it’s not a playoff team, but it’s not bottom-five either. And I do think they’ll pick up a couple decent UFAs.

Let’s not forget the Flames were completely healthy last year - and most of the last few years

An injury or 2 and this team is easily bottom 5. I personally think they already are and can easily be bottom 3 next year

[Scroopy Noopers]

Edit: double

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yes, and that happens with fans speculating and reading things wrong, but Diss and Sec are insiders getting their info from the organization or people close to it and then relaying it here.

That’s not what telephone is.

and I would bet that neither of their contacts are Craig Conroy. Hence the telephone comment.

[transplant99]

Flames opening night roster 8 months ago

10- Jonathan Huberdeau
LW
11 - Mikael Backlund
C
15 - Dryden Hunt
LW
17 - Yegor Sharangovich
LW/RW
18 - A.J. Greer
LW
20 - Blake Coleman
RW
27 - Matt Coronato
RW
28 - Elias Lindholm
C
29 - Dillon Dube
LW/RW
63 - Adam Ruzicka
C
71 - Walker Duehr
RW
88 - Andrew Mangiapane
LW
91 - Nazem Kadri
C
Defencemen
Player
Position
4 - Rasmus Andersson
RD
8 - Chris Tanev
RD
16 - Nikita Zadorov
LD
48 - Dennis Gilbert
LD
52 - MacKenzie Weegar
RD
55 - Noah Hanifin
LD
82 - Jordan Oesterle
LD
Goaltenders
Player
Catches
25 - Jacob Markstrom
L
80 - Dan Vladar
L
Injured
Player
Position
21 - Kevin Rooney
C
22 - Jakob Pelletier
LW
58 - Oliver Kylington
LD

As many as 13 of those guys will not be here for opening night 4 months from now.


Yeah.....this team is most definately rebuilding their roster.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

That’s not what telephone is.

and I would bet that neither of their contacts are Craig Conroy. Hence the telephone comment.

Yes, that is what telephone and what happens on CP all the time with rumours. Hence why New Jersey saying they'd move the 10th OA for the right player in their core player age range (23-25 years old) turns into new jersey will trade the 10 OA for markstrom.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Oh I forgot about Oesterle. He is a must sign and potentially top 4 player.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yes, that is what telephone and what happens on CP all the time with rumours. Hence why New Jersey saying they'd move the 10th OA for the right player in their core player age range (23-25 years old) turns into new jersey will trade the 10 OA for markstrom.

Dude. Telephone is when one person says something to someone, and they tell the next, and so on, until it gets to the end and it’s no longer the same thing.

CP reading into rumours is not the same as hearing something directly from someone in the organization… having that chain go through two different paths. Having minor inconsistencies between “retool on the fly” and “rebuild” is similar to the game which you’ve clearly never played…

If you’re trying to be rude to those supplying the info, fine. But not understanding how a child’s game works was the straw for me.

[jayswin]

Hahaha chill dude, wow. Not being rude to either of them, just that they both seem to be close with the organization with how intricate their details are, aka not that many stops in the telephone game.

But yeah I understand telephone and CP rumours and the way threads progress based on posters reading X, posting it is Y, next poster reads that posters Y and responds to it as Z is definitely telephone.

Don't be angry be happy, it's summer

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Hahaha chill dude, wow. Not being rude to either of them, just that they both seem to be close with the organization with how intricate their details are, aka not that many stops in the telephone game.

I’m just joking around about a kids game man. Tone is impossible to type.

[flambers]

Why would the Flames offer $9m a year to Lindholm (speculated), if they were intending to rip the team to the ground and rebuild? Seems like a really crappy plan.

My guess this team, will lose and draft high in the lottery for 3 years (never top 5) Then they will spend and bring in players.

Likely near when the arena is close to done.

(i.e. rebuild is San Jose, Hawks... )

Flames are not going to move enough players out to be that bad in my view.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you think it's funny when the organization says it too? They are 100% not blowing smoke here, they are absolutely going to try and retool on the fly while competing for a playoff spot next year. I guess time will tell on this, let's revisit this after July 1st.

Lmao retool on the fly and try to compete for playoffs next year?

I mean, this is the Flames so I can see it. It would be extremely dumb and short sighted but of course it's usually what the Flames do.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

They are not rebuilding, they will probably draft anywhere from 9 - 16 depending on what they do this offseason. They are not going to tank no matter how much the tank crowd wants that. They will try and get into the playoffs.

There is a large difference between tanking and rebuilding. This team is not going to go scorched earth (or as you say, tanking).



I don't have more than 3 teams worse than the Flames right now. There are not going to be any superstars coming in July 1st. Barring some miracle by a Wolf/Vladar tandem, I have this team solidly in the bottom 5. Possibly bottom 2-3. Everyone is getting better at the bottom. Calgary will likely be a worse team next season with the subtraction of Markstrom. Kuzmenko isn't going to hit 120+ points. What teams do you think will actually be worse.


I have San Jose and Chicago, but with Chicago potentially moving up depending on what they do (and especially the tier of players that they can attract). Anaheim maybe. Beyond that, I don't see worse teams out there. Still, there could be a surprise or two, but that's why I rank Calgary at #5 from the bottom.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bonded

You can take this thread and replace it with Conroy. They didn't 'rebuild' after the Iggy core failed either...

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=125638

They didn’t. They were just incompetent.

The team continues to do everything they can every year to make the playoffs.

The only season where this wasn’t true was the season after the Flames traded Iginla, and Jay Feaster was promptly fired for that and replaced by Burke who then hired Treliving and then it was a mad scramble to do everything they could to get back into the playoffs.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

There is a large difference between tanking and rebuilding. This team is not going to go scorched earth (or as you say, tanking).



I don't have more than 3 teams worse than the Flames right now. There are not going to be any superstars coming in July 1st. Barring some miracle by a Wolf/Vladar tandem, I have this team solidly in the bottom 5. Possibly bottom 2-3. Everyone is getting better at the bottom. Calgary will likely be a worse team next season with the subtraction of Markstrom. Kuzmenko isn't going to hit 120+ points. What teams do you think will actually be worse.


I have San Jose and Chicago, but with Chicago potentially moving up depending on what they do (and especially the tier of players that they can attract). Anaheim maybe. Beyond that, I don't see worse teams out there. Still, there could be a surprise or two, but that's why I rank Calgary at #5 from the bottom.

When we trade for Necas and Zegras in the offseason, and sign Stephenson, we will position ourself into pick 11.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The only season where this wasn’t true was the season after the Flames traded Iginla, and Jay Feaster was promptly fired for that and replaced by Burke who then hired Treliving and then it was a mad scramble to do everything they could to get back into the playoffs.

Revisionism at its finest.

Feaster wasn't fired for trading Iginla. He was fired for getting poor value for his top players when the team was trying (you guessed it) to rebuild. Burke specifically criticized him for that.

There was no ‘mad scramble’ to get back into the playoffs. Everyone, including Treliving, expected 2014-15 to be a rebuilding year. In fact, the Flames traded Glencross for picks at the deadline.

It is true that the surprise playoff appearance in 2015 had management thinking they were further along than they were. But that's not the story you're trying to spin here.

[Aarongavey]

Flames should really offer Broberg a one year contract at 2.2 million and offer Holloway a one year contract at 2.5 million. It would cost them their 2025 2nd and 3rd round picks but they could be some of the guys in Conroy’s age range that he is targeting.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't have more than 3 teams worse than the Flames right now. There are not going to be any superstars coming in July 1st. Barring some miracle by a Wolf/Vladar tandem, I have this team solidly in the bottom 5. Possibly bottom 2-3. Everyone is getting better at the bottom. Calgary will likely be a worse team next season with the subtraction of Markstrom. Kuzmenko isn't going to hit 120+ points. What teams do you think will actually be worse.


I have San Jose and Chicago, but with Chicago potentially moving up depending on what they do (and especially the tier of players that they can attract). Anaheim maybe. Beyond that, I don't see worse teams out there. Still, there could be a surprise or two, but that's why I rank Calgary at #5 from the bottom.

Unless they go out and sign the top three UFAs available, Chicago will still be terrible. Washington are going to crash hard (they had only three players with more than 35 points this season, and one of them was 39 years old). The Tortorella factor will likely wear off on the Flyers (look at their roster and tell me it’s better than the Flames’) and they’re in cap hell. The Kraken have lost their cap/depth advantage and they don’t have much talent in the pipeline. Unless Fantilli has an amazing sophomore season, the Blue Jackets will still be bad. Utah aren’t guaranteed to improve by leaps and bounds. Lots of teams could be looking at a bottom-5 finish next season.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Flames should really offer Broberg a one year contract at 2.2 million and offer Holloway a one year contract at 2.5 million. It would cost them their 2025 2nd and 3rd round picks but they could be some of the guys in Conroy’s age range that he is targeting.

We have conditionally traded our 1st and 3rd next year to MTL. I'm pretty sure we can't use them for offersheets. So we can offersheet players at less than $1.5M for no compensation, or between $2.3-4.6M for the 25' 2nd.

Lundell could be an interesting target around the $4.5M range. The same applies to Pinto.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Unless they go out and sign the top three UFAs available, Chicago will still be terrible. Washington are going to crash hard (they had only three players with more than 35 points this season, and one of them was 39 years old). The Tortorella factor will likely wear off on the Flyers (look at their roster and tell me it’s better than the Flames’) and they’re in cap hell. The Kraken have lost their cap/depth advantage and they don’t have much talent in the pipeline. Unless Fantilli has an amazing sophomore season, the Blue Jackets will still be bad. Utah aren’t guaranteed to improve by leaps and bounds. Lots of teams could be looking at a bottom-5 finish next season.

Flames are right in there with all those teams. If they trade Markstrom, they will have a bottom 5ish dcore, bottom tenish forward core, and a bottom 5 goalie tandem.

[Bingo]

I just can't believe how many pages of argument can happen over the subjective interpretation of two words that start with "R".