2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Major Major]

The league wide conditions to get decent draft picks seems to be high. Too much pressure out there from teams that want out of their rebuild. Calgary has the exact matching puzzle pieces as well. They need to get this right... You'll never get a chance like this again Conny.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Huberdeau for Zegras
Kadri for Necas

Those are the only hockey deals I can think of.

No one will take you seriously if you think Huberdeau is worth an up and coming C/LW with RFA rights after 2 more seasons on a reasonable cap hit right now, or our center who is on the wrong side of 30 acquiring a guy that is also still RFA controlled.

Huberdeau will be a Flame for a long time. May as well get used to him.

[shotinthebacklund]

What would a package of Rasmus + Marky be worth to the sens? They have the assets to pull something like that off.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

What would a package of Rasmus + Marky be worth to the sens? They have the assets to pull something like that off.

Marky
Andersson
28 OA

Pinto
Korpisalo
7OA

[Calgary4LIfe]

McLennan was right months ago - the goaltending market will probably be stronger in the off-season than at last season's trade deadline. Glad that the trade didn't go through.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Marky
Andersson
28 OA

Pinto
Korpisalo
7OA

I dont think thats enough value on Rasmus. closer without adding the 28th.



betting on Pinto seems like a gamble.

[CliffFletcher]

Assuming Saros re-signs with the Preds, that leaves Markstrom and Ullmark as the legit starters on the market. Ullmark is rumoured to have nixed a deal out west, and will likely use his NTC to ensure he stays in the east. Markstrom also has an NTC, but it’s not clear what his preferences are, besides the fact he accepted a move to NJ.

The Hurricanes are said to be wanting to give Kotchetkov more starts next season, and Anderson is signed for one year and has an NTC. So I don’t see them in the market for a starter.

So it probably shakes out something like this.

Market for Ullmark:

NJD
OTT
TOR

Market for Markstrom:

NJD
OTT
LA
TOR
COL

Both have NTCs, so Ottawa could get shut out. I could see it playing out as Ullmark to NJD and Markstrom to LA or TOR.

[Calgary4LIfe]

If I am Ullmark, and I have made it clear that I want to stay in Boston, then what would I do? My NMC will list every team rumoured to be looking for a goalie first, then teams who look like they have a hole in net, and finally the lousy organizations that I definitely wouldn't want to play for.


When does he have to give his list? That's the question for me.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Assuming Saros re-signs with the Preds, that leaves Markstrom and Ullmark as the legit starters on the market. Ullmark is rumoured to have nixed a deal out west, and will likely use his NTC to ensure he stays in the east. Markstrom also has an NTC, but it’s not clear what his preferences are, besides the fact he accepted a move to NJ.

The Hurricanes are said to be wanting to give Kotchetkov more starts next season, and Anderson is signed for one year and has an NTC. So I don’t see them in the market for a starter.

So it probably shakes out something like this.

Market for Ullmark:

NJD
OTT
TOR

Market for Markstrom:

NJD
OTT
LA
TOR
COL

Both have NTCs, so Ottawa could get shut out. I could see it playing out as Ullmark to NJD and Markstrom to LA or TOR.

I see Ullmark more as LA and COL.

Not sure they'd want to trade him to an Eastern team they'd be competing against, and certainly not within the division.

[Erick Estrada]

I don't see the Leafs getting a deal done with the Flames as long as Treliving continues to lowball Conroy. When the guy was the Flames GM, draft picks burned a hole in his pockets to the point he was pretty cavalier about burning 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks on players like Lazar, Pitlick, Jarnkrok, Gustafsson, Forbort, etc who had a cup of coffee in Calgary but as Leafs GM dealing with the Flames for legit different makers like Tanev and Hanifin he was offering the same types of picks that he used to give up in Calgary for junk.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't see the Leafs getting a deal done with the Flames as long as Treliving continues to lowball Conroy. When the guy was the Flames GM, draft picks burned a hole in his pockets to the point he was pretty cavalier about burning 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks on players like Lazar, Pitlick, Jarnkrok, Gustafsson, Forbort, etc who had a cup of coffee in Calgary but as Leafs GM dealing with the Flames for legit different makers like Tanev and Hanifin he was offering the same types of picks that he used to give up in Calgary for junk.

Do we know Treliving is/has low balled Conroy? Seems like an erroneous thing to say without knowing details.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I dont think thats enough value on Rasmus. closer without adding the 28th.



betting on Pinto seems like a gamble.

I see what you did.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The league wide conditions to get decent draft picks seems to be high. Too much pressure out there from teams that want out of their rebuild. Calgary has the exact matching puzzle pieces as well. They need to get this right... You'll never get a chance like this again Conny.

I 100% agree, now is the time. Waiting too long to go full rebuild likely has more youth coming through our system and as those players grow, this team will probably be too good to bottom out.

It needs to be now or the rebuild will end up like a Stars style rebuild

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I see Ullmark more as LA and COL.

Not sure they'd want to trade him to an Eastern team they'd be competing against, and certainly not within the division.

There are reports Ullmark already nixed a deal to LA before the deadline.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/artic...16958_40422184


If Ullmark wants to stay in the east they won’t have much choice. The NTCs complicate the whole goalie carousel.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

I dont think thats enough value on Rasmus. closer without adding the 28th.



betting on Pinto seems like a gamble.

I'm putting pretty high value in Pinto here, but I think he is a breakout candidate and fits a need. Also don't think it gets done without a first going back.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

No one will take you seriously if you think Huberdeau is worth an up and coming C/LW with RFA rights after 2 more seasons on a reasonable cap hit right now, or our center who is on the wrong side of 30 acquiring a guy that is also still RFA controlled.

Huberdeau will be a Flame for a long time. May as well get used to him.

It was a joke.

I think the poster meant Zegras for Necas.

The Flames really have no players to offer up to make a hockey deal. Maybe Andersson? We are better of trading him for picks.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

What are they really afraid of? Have they not seen attendance and trend the last 2 seasons

https://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attenda...h.php?tmi=5090

The Flames attendance the last two seasons were 17950 in 2022 and 17500 last season

That was the lowest since 03/04 - 20 Years

The worst attendance in history was 1999 and 15300
- The city of Calgary had a population of 925,000 vs 1.65 million today

So even if we dropped to our worse attendance ever we are talking ~2000 seats unsold a game (I would assume with a population up 80% they would have some demand increase but price increase over that time may kill/lower increased population demand)

42 home games X 2000 tickets is 8400 less tickets sold

The Flames average cost to attende a game was $127 Canadian

https://globalnews.ca/news/9179433/n...8%20per%20game.

So that's about 10.5 million in revenue impact if the Flames dropped to the lowest attendance in franchise history

(Not including any impact offset/already will occur as they are already seeing lowered demand - Attendance dropped 500/game from 22-23. )

Would anyone care if they spent 11$ million under the cap and went full rebuild?

What they should do is lower prices 20%, spend 20 million under the cap to cover the difference in revenue and do a full rebuild. Build up a new fanbase watching exciting rookies while the team stinks and drafts top 3 for 3 year, then start spending and raising ticket prices in the new arena with a team people want and are excited to watch (IE - CREATE SOME DEMAND)

The tickets to Flames games are so overpriced that even lowering them 20% wouldn't move the needle on getting people to go down to the Dome during lean years.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When we won the Pacific 3 years ago this place had half the activity it does now, many of the doomsday posters were missing in action the majority of the year, at least until the Oilers beat us. Then they magically made a return. There is no doubt in my mind there is a good portion of the fan base here that is only happy when things are going bad.

This couldn't be further from the truth. CP was absolutely hopping that year, I couldn't keep up with all the posts and would often just click on the last two or three pages of the FOI forum thread instead of most recent post, to catch up. Posters were excited all year.

I'm stunned someone would try to claim this place is quieter during better years. You just see criticism as "negativity" and it stands out more to you. And there's obviously going to be more criticism when the team is mismanaged into becoming a bottom feeder from a contender over 2 years.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't see the Leafs getting a deal done with the Flames as long as Treliving continues to lowball Conroy. When the guy was the Flames GM, draft picks burned a hole in his pockets to the point he was pretty cavalier about burning 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks on players like Lazar, Pitlick, Jarnkrok, Gustafsson, Forbort, etc who had a cup of coffee in Calgary but as Leafs GM dealing with the Flames for legit different makers like Tanev and Hanifin he was offering the same types of picks that he used to give up in Calgary for junk.

To be fair I don’t believe he was left with a lot of draft capital or good prospects when he took over.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There are reports Ullmark already nixed a deal to LA before the deadline.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/artic...16958_40422184


If Ullmark wants to stay in the east they won’t have much choice. The NTCs complicate the whole goalie carousel.

Nixing a deal before the deadline is different than in the off season though.

He undoubtedly thought Boston had a better chance at a 2024 cup run than LA.

Going forward though could be a different story.