2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[howard_the_duck]

Boomer implying the Flames believe Markstrom is worth more than 10OA.

I just don't see it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Boomer implying the Flames believe Markstrom is worth more than 10OA.

I just don't see it.

Laughable and not shocking.

[Ashasx]

I mean I will say, I hope the Flames can get more value of Markstrom than I think he's worth. I just hope that doesn't mean they lose out on an opportunity to liquidate his value.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Boomer implying the Flames believe Markstrom is worth more than 10OA.

I just don't see it.

I don't see it either but hopefully they're right.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The word generational gets thrown out easily, but McKenna is tracking to be a superstar, Hagens is looking like he is going to be a star #1C.

We need to take a chance and see if we can land one of these guys or both. We even have a Vegas lottery ball.

We don't really need to competitive in the standings, go out and play hard and let the results take care of itself. This is not a playoff team, not even close.

Next years draft has Anton Frondell from Sweden, Michael Misa who got 75 points in 67 games this year for Saginaw and the Russian Ryabkin as well. Any of those players project to be top two line offensive centers in the NHL. Misa could possibly crack 100 points in the OHL in his draft year.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Boomer implying the Flames believe Markstrom is worth more than 10OA.

I just don't see it.

I didn't get that. I think when pressed he said I think it is close.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

All indications are the Bruins won't move Ullmark to an Eastern team

That eastern team would also have to heavily outbid LA, which I'd expect is the frontrunner for Ullmark from the west. Colorado probably also poking around.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I didn't get that. I think when pressed he said I think it is close.

How it came across listening to me at least. That was w/o retention, too.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Boomer implying the Flames believe Markstrom is worth more than 10OA.

I just don't see it.

so they should be leaking that they think he is worth less?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

How it came across listening to me at least. That was w/o retention, too.

I kind of see where you get that, I think he was more being devils advocate when Pinder threw in the retention and Mangiapane. Later in segment he said that the Flames are not in the drivers seat here.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Laughable and not shocking.

I always find it funny when people take this type of view. Laughable?

Only the Flames and teams they are talking to really know what values are for their players and what value is being discussed in exchange. If boomer is reporting that the Flames believe Markstrom is worth more than 10OA, what is more likely

a. That the Flames' management are idiots and are laughably out of touch?
b. That maybe they have talked to a number of suitors already and have reason to believe Markstrom is worth a lot?

Must be the random guy on the internet that has a better pulse on player value.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so they should be leaking that they think he is worth less?

I'm not implying any leak. Just a discussion.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The word generational gets thrown out easily, but McKenna is tracking to be a superstar, Hagens is looking like he is going to be a star #1C.

We need to take a chance and see if we can land one of these guys or both. We even have a Vegas lottery ball.

We don't really need to competitive in the standings, go out and play hard and let the results take care of itself. This is not a playoff team, not even close.

Utah is the team to watch. Arizona has gone full tank for years due to the situation in Arizona but they also have had some bad luck of being at the bottom and misses out on the top talent.

Since the max 4 spots rule changed the worst team only gets top pick 42% of time and it's hard to be last. Arizona is loaded with picks, but they missed out on generational talent with bad luck and now the issues should be gone to spend. Can they turn it around with what they have? IMO they could but they are missing top end talent too and the Flames could go that direction and miss out too. How aggressive we need to go to get Hagens or Mckenna is questionable. IMO we are positioned nicely, but we will see the results over the next few months and years.

Really hope Conroy has a good summer though and I think getting a Markstrom trade done is probably his best bet to tank without trading everyone.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

When your owner goes over you head to hire a head coach you ask for full autonomy or leave when your contract is up . And if you are forced to go over your GMs head and hire a coach of your liking you sure aren’t giving that person autonomy

You’re confused.

Treliving supposedly asked for autonomy when his first contract was up in 2016 or 17. Sutter was, obviously, hired afterwards. It was also after Sutter’s hiring that Treliving and the Flames ‘mutually parted ways’. Sutter was fired 2-3 weeks later.

The point I responded to was another poster saying Treliving ‘publicly demanded’ autonomy. Which never happened.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by HitterD

I always find it funny when people take this type of view. Laughable?

Only the Flames and teams they are talking to really know what values are for their players and what value is being discussed in exchange. If boomer is reporting that the Flames believe Markstrom is worth more than 10OA, what is more likely

a. That the Flames' management are idiots and are laughably out of touch?
b. That maybe they have talked to a number of suitors already and have reason to believe Markstrom is worth a lot?

Must be the random guy on the internet that has a better pulse on player value.

Clearly it is A. Some people (who know a lot more about hockey than Flames Management) have determined that Markstrom is not possibly worth more than a 2nd and a middling prospect (despite almost every starting goalie going for more than that in recent years). I will take Some People on the internet over people involved in hockey any day of the week.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't have hockey knowledge

Finally something that the entire board can agree upon.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It was floated by multiple sources that the Flames missed on a Bishop trade because Tre couldn’t get King’s approval in time and one of his demands was autonomy.
I’m not sure on the Sutter hire but if Edwards stepped in and forced a Sutter they should have just canned Tre.

Yes, that’s how I recall it regarding Bishop/King.

I think Treliving did want more autonomy but I don’t think he got carried away and publicly demanded it, as it was put. I don’t think that’s accurate or factual at all.

Regarding Edwards/Sutter, that was also my contention at the time. People, a lot of them, were saying on this forum that Edwards hired him. If that was the case, why was Treliving still the GM? If the owner lost confidence in him, he should have fired him then. On the other hand if Treliving wanted autonomy and Edwards took that decision out of Treliving’s hands, why didn’t Treliving resign then or at the end of the season? Further, why did the Flsmes want to extend Treliving at the end of last season?

I get people don’t like Treliving, that’s fine. He’s gone. But what I think is worth continuing to point out the discrepancies in the story telling people are trotting out on a daily basis here because it’s likely only a matter of time before we start seeing the same thing for Conroy.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Do you see Carolina being much better next season? They had a pretty big season, and have a huge hole in in net, and no real franchise altering players up front to help them get over being a team that is just in the mix.

I believe that the teams plan is to play Kochetkov.
Young and has huge upside.
Don't believe that they think that they have any hole, yet along a huge hole.


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=219664

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'm not implying any leak. Just a discussion.

okay and others are piling on the Flames for some reason...if a Flames reporter repeats it he likely got it from somewhere

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yes, that’s how I recall it regarding Bishop/King.

I think Treliving did want more autonomy but I don’t think he got carried away and publicly demanded it, as it was put. I don’t think that’s accurate or factual at all.

Regarding Edwards/Sutter, that was also my contention at the time. People, a lot of them, were saying on this forum that Edwards hired him. If that was the case, why was Treliving still the GM? If the owner lost confidence in him, he should have fired him then. On the other hand if Treliving wanted autonomy and Edwards took that decision out of Treliving’s hands, why didn’t Treliving resign then or at the end of the season? Further, why did the Flsmes want to extend Treliving at the end of last season?

I get people don’t like Treliving, that’s fine. He’s gone. But what I think is worth continuing to point out the discrepancies in the story telling people are trotting out on a daily basis here because it’s likely only a matter of time before we start seeing the same thing for Conroy.

Are you a TO fan or a Flames fan from TO?
looking at the stanley cup final it's pretty hard to defend BT