2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Roof-Daddy]

If they're able to utilize Markstrom to somehow get the 10th OA, I wouldn't even be that upset if they traded 28th OA for Necas.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by jg13

https://twitter.com/user/status/1797984446119022686

LOL

So Jake Allen and Kaapo Kahkonen weren't the answer Fitz?

Ya don't say...

[Roof-Daddy]

Just watch, the Bruins will sweep in here and snag the 10th OA for Ullmark who will then immediately sign an extension with the Devils.

Then the Bruins will not miss a beat with Swayman and get a high pick who will jump right into their line up in 2025 and immediately become a star

[Jiri Hrdina]

If I were NJD I would trade 10 for Askarov. Get a young #1 netminder.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Treliving publicly demanded autonomy so they are definitely involved. It does make it even murkier on who is to blame for the disaster he left the Flames in.

Dreger's stuff doesn't even need to be coming from Nonis. It could very well be coming from a pissed off Markstrom via his agent.

Treliving publicly demanded autonomy? Was this in a press conference or interview? I don’t recall any public declarations that this must be the case.

That’s not how I recall it. What I recall is that when his contract was nearing an end there was some speculation from Friedman (who I specifically remember talking about but) that Treliving wanted autonomy. Should also be said/acknowledged that autonomy could mean a number of different things. After all, half this board thinks it was Edwards hired Sutter. That doesn’t sound like autonomy to me.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If I were NJD I would trade 10 for Askarov. Get a young #1 netminder.

Why would a team use a 2020 11th overall pick on a goalie , develop him, see him develop as expected , and 4 years later trade him for same pick ?

Unless there is a big + this seems unlikely

[dammage79]

I don't know. It's always felt like Markstroms been New Jersey's primary target. The trick is to bury the hatchet and get it done between the two teams.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Treliving publicly demanded autonomy? Was this in a press conference or interview? I don’t recall any public declarations that this must be the case.

That’s not how I recall it. What I recall is that when his contract was nearing an end there was some speculation from Friedman (who I specifically remember talking about but) that Treliving wanted autonomy. Should also be said/acknowledged that autonomy could mean a number of different things. After all, half this board thinks it was Edwards hired Sutter. That doesn’t sound like autonomy to me.

When your owner goes over you head to hire a head coach you ask for full autonomy or leave when your contract is up . And if you are forced to go over your GMs head and hire a coach of your liking you sure aren’t giving that person autonomy

[Macho0978]

With Florida and Edmonton in the finals, 2 teams that have many top picks in their lineup., it seems there is more debate ever on what the Flames should do with their rebuild.

Some want to trade everyone and pick up nobody

Some are ok with moving out vets but adding some younger players with potential. Maybe even use some picks to add as they rebuild.

Because of this I thought I would do some stats showing the results of how the lottery and tanking has gone since 2006.

Bottom 3 in the NHL by points in the last 19 seasons
Last Overall
Average Points- 58
Point ranges:
Below 50 - 3 times 16%
50-59 - 7 times 37%
60-69 - 8 times 42%
70+ - 1 time 5%

2nd Last:
Average Points - 66
Below 50 - 0
50-59 - 5 times 26%
60-69 - 8 times 42%
70+ - 6 times 32%

3rd Last:
Average Points - 69
Below 50 - 0
50-59 - 1 time 5%
60-69 - 8 times 42%
70+ - 9 times 47%

Lottery Results - 19 years:
# Times last wins lottery - 10 times 53%
# times 2nd last wins Lottery - 3 times 16%
# times 3rd last wins Lottery - 3 times 16%
# times outside bottom 3 wins Lottery - 3 times 16%

Lottery Results since 2013 (max 4 spots rule was changed) - 12 years:
# Times last wins lottery - 5 times 42%
# times 2nd last wins Lottery - 2 times 17%
# times 3rd last wins Lottery - 3 times 25%
# times outside bottom 3 wins Lottery - 2 times 17%

Notable Picks from recent cup winners/finalists:
Tampa - Stamkos - finished last with 71 points
Tampa - Hedman - finished 2nd last with 68 points
Edmonton - McDavid - finished 3rd last 62 points
Edmonton - Draisaitl - finished 3rd last 67 points
Edmont - Nuge - finished last pick 1OV 62 points
Florida - Barkov - finished last moved to 2nd pick 60 points
Florida - Ekblad - finished 2nd last moved to 1OV 66 points
Buffalo - Eichel - buffalo finished last move to 2nd pick 54 points
Dallas - Heskinen - Dallas finished 7th last move to 3rd pick 79 points

After the trade deadline, the Flames weren't very good and if they trade Markstrom they are likely a 65–75-point team. Based on the above stats, they already positioned to be near the bottom. Do we really need to go full SJ? Do we really need to panic if we add some players as we subtract? Other than Buffalo with Eichel, none of the teams that picks their superstars were 45–55-point teams.

The so-called Tampa rebuild they were a 70-point team when they landed Stamkos and Hedman, did they even tank to get those players?

I really feel the Flames are positioned very well and if they add some young players to stay a bit more competitive, I'm ok with that and think it's better in the long run and they should still have a great chance at some franchise players with what they have done so far.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't know. It's always felt like Markstroms been New Jersey's primary target. The trick is to bury the hatchet and get it done between the two teams.

Brodeur loves this guy.

[dammage79]

Maybe 10th overall. Holtz for Markstrom and Mang? Retain everything.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Treliving publicly demanded autonomy? Was this in a press conference or interview? I don’t recall any public declarations that this must be the case.

That’s not how I recall it. What I recall is that when his contract was nearing an end there was some speculation from Friedman (who I specifically remember talking about but) that Treliving wanted autonomy. Should also be said/acknowledged that autonomy could mean a number of different things. After all, half this board thinks it was Edwards hired Sutter. That doesn’t sound like autonomy to me.

It was floated by multiple sources that the Flames missed on a Bishop trade because Tre couldn’t get King’s approval in time and one of his demands was autonomy.
I’m not sure on the Sutter hire but if Edwards stepped in and forced a Sutter they should have just canned Tre.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Maybe 10th overall. Holtz for Markstrom and Mang? Retain everything.

Flames can only retain on one player until July 1st

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Just watch, the Bruins will sweep in here and snag the 10th OA for Ullmark who will then immediately sign an extension with the Devils.

Then the Bruins will not miss a beat with Swayman and get a high pick who will jump right into their line up in 2025 and immediately become a star

This guy knows how to Flames fan.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Just watch, the Bruins will sweep in here and snag the 10th OA for Ullmark who will then immediately sign an extension with the Devils.

Then the Bruins will not miss a beat with Swayman and get a high pick who will jump right into their line up in 2025 and immediately become a star

Nah. That could all happen but the Bruins will reach big and it won’t matter haha

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Just watch, the Bruins will sweep in here and snag the 10th OA for Ullmark who will then immediately sign an extension with the Devils.

Then the Bruins will not miss a beat with Swayman and get a high pick who will jump right into their line up in 2025 and immediately become a star

All indications are the Bruins won't move Ullmark to an Eastern team

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

All indications are the Bruins won't move Ullmark to an Eastern team

Don't be crapping on my made up doomsday scenario lol

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If I were NJD I would trade 10 for Askarov. Get a young #1 netminder.

No idea why Nashville would do this. They make a bunch of rebuilding trades last year picking up:

- two former first round picks,
- two 1st round picks
- two second round picks
- a third round pick
- two 4th round picks
- a 5th round pick

And then they move the 22 year old goalie so they can keep the 29 year old goaltender? I think Trotz is quite comfortable waiting it out and getting his price on Saros. Doubt he wants to move the 22 year old goaltender.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If I were NJD I would trade 10 for Askarov. Get a young #1 netminder.

What makes him a #1 netminder? I would assume Nashville would prefer to send out Saros before Askarov

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

With Florida and Edmonton in the finals, 2 teams that have many top picks in their lineup., it seems there is more debate ever on what the Flames should do with their rebuild.

Some want to trade everyone and pick up nobody

Some are ok with moving out vets but adding some younger players with potential. Maybe even use some picks to add as they rebuild.

Because of this I thought I would do some stats showing the results of how the lottery and tanking has gone since 2006.

Bottom 3 in the NHL by points in the last 19 seasons
Last Overall
Average Points- 58
Point ranges:
Below 50 - 3 times 16%
50-59 - 7 times 37%
60-69 - 8 times 42%
70+ - 1 time 5%

2nd Last:
Average Points - 66
Below 50 - 0
50-59 - 5 times 26%
60-69 - 8 times 42%
70+ - 6 times 32%

3rd Last:
Average Points - 69
Below 50 - 0
50-59 - 1 time 5%
60-69 - 8 times 42%
70+ - 9 times 47%

Lottery Results - 19 years:
# Times last wins lottery - 10 times 53%
# times 2nd last wins Lottery - 3 times 16%
# times 3rd last wins Lottery - 3 times 16%
# times outside bottom 3 wins Lottery - 3 times 16%

Lottery Results since 2013 (max 4 spots rule was changed) - 12 years:
# Times last wins lottery - 5 times 42%
# times 2nd last wins Lottery - 2 times 17%
# times 3rd last wins Lottery - 3 times 25%
# times outside bottom 3 wins Lottery - 2 times 17%

Notable Picks from recent cup winners/finalists:
Tampa - Stamkos - finished last with 71 points
Tampa - Hedman - finished 2nd last with 68 points
Edmonton - McDavid - finished 3rd last 62 points
Edmonton - Draisaitl - finished 3rd last 67 points
Edmont - Nuge - finished last pick 1OV 62 points
Florida - Barkov - finished last moved to 2nd pick 60 points
Florida - Ekblad - finished 2nd last moved to 1OV 66 points
Buffalo - Eichel - buffalo finished last move to 2nd pick 54 points
Dallas - Heskinen - Dallas finished 7th last move to 3rd pick 79 points

After the trade deadline, the Flames weren't very good and if they trade Markstrom they are likely a 65–75-point team. Based on the above stats, they already positioned to be near the bottom. Do we really need to go full SJ? Do we really need to panic if we add some players as we subtract? Other than Buffalo with Eichel, none of the teams that picks their superstars were 45–55-point teams.

The so-called Tampa rebuild they were a 70-point team when they landed Stamkos and Hedman, did they even tank to get those players?

I really feel the Flames are positioned very well and if they add some young players to stay a bit more competitive, I'm ok with that and think it's better in the long run and they should still have a great chance at some franchise players with what they have done so far.

The word generational gets thrown out easily, but McKenna is tracking to be a superstar, Hagens is looking like he is going to be a star #1C.

We need to take a chance and see if we can land one of these guys or both. We even have a Vegas lottery ball.

We don't really need to competitive in the standings, go out and play hard and let the results take care of itself. This is not a playoff team, not even close.