2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Rhett44]

Leaks happen all the time, and Calgary seems to be one of the more leaky organizations.

Just look at this trade deadline. There were what 4 or 5 different people on here all saying they had sources where Markstrom was about to be traded to the Devils?

And then after these sources the media confirmed it as well. So people thinking Calgary is this leak free organization is laughable. If random people on this message board and are getting leaks, imagine what additional info gets out to the trade "insiders" and those people.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A) To cultivate a media source who they can later use as a conduit for other information they want to get out.

B) To undermine someone else in their organization. Pro sports franchises aren’t all happy, selfless, one-for-all organizations. The executives are as competitive, jealous, and career-driven as execs in other organizations. Maybe even moreso.

C) People like to gossip and share secrets. It’s human nature.

And it doesn’t have to be a GM or an AGM. In the modern NHL you have at least a half dozen people involved once trade negotiations get serious (GM, AGMs, President, VP of hockey operations, capologist, analytics, scouts).

This all seems a bit sensational.

Has it happened before? Yeah, probably. It is human nature as you’ve put it and it seems like there are at least one or two individuals here who post some behind the scenes info.

I just find the Dreger-Nonis thing a bit too on the nose. I’d be surprised if Nonis leaked info to Dreger on how the MRkstrom deal fell though. I don’t see any benefit to Nonis in that instance, and if it is true, I suspect he would have been terminated.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

We now have enough drops of information by CP insiders, in addition to the Dregers and Friedmans of the world, that Edwards et all play an active role and sometimes it affects the autonomy of the GM and the way they'd otherwise do their business. Reading between all the inferences and drips of information over the past couple years, I'm confused why we're even calling this into question at this point.

I honestly think people are biased and do not want to believe the Flames are such a poorly run organization.

But the evidence shows otherwise. Everything we have heard is that GMs here aren't allowed to do their job and the ownership meddles and wants to go all in every year.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

We now have enough drops of information by CP insiders, in addition to the Dregers and Friedmans of the world, that Edwards et all play an active role and sometimes it affects the autonomy of the GM and the way they'd otherwise do their business. Reading between all the inferences and drips of information over the past couple years, I'm confused why we're even calling this into question at this point.

It’s one thing to criticize a coach or GM who makes bad decisions. As a fan, you know they’ll get replaced if they keep screwing up. Or even if they don’t - those guys are hired to be fired.

It’s a lot more disheartening to acknowledge owner meddling as a source of a team’s mistakes. Because the owner probably isn’t going anywhere. So the optimistic fan will just dismiss it all as conjecture.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Leaks happen all the time, and Calgary seems to be one of the more leaky organizations.

Just look at this trade deadline. There were what 4 or 5 different people on here all saying they had sources where Markstrom was about to be traded to the Devils?

And then after these sources the media confirmed it as well. So people thinking Calgary is this leak free organization is laughable. If random people on this message board and are getting leaks, imagine what additional info gets out to the trade "insiders" and those people.

Again, why is there a direct line from the organization to the media on this? Markstrom has an agent that would have been well aware of the ongoings. What about the Devils? No leaks on their end? Did the Devils leak knowing it would put pressure on the Flames to make the move? If Markstrom was asked to waive, did he keep that to himself or might he have mentioned it to some of his teammates? Things do get out but I’m not convinced it’s from the organization direct to the media. I doubt very much Nonis told Dreger and Dreger then went on TSN to tell anyone in Canada or the US what’s transpiring.

It’s far too simple to look at it and say ‘the Flames leaked’.

Also,point of interest, I recall listening to a 32 thoughts podcast a while back where Friedman said he thinks he hears 10% of what’s discussed between GM and teams.

As far as leaks go, we don’t know what we don’t know.

[jg13]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1797984446119022686

[PepsiFree]

This is a fascinating study on confirmation bias.

[ComixZone]

Markstrom (+ whatever retention needed) + 28th for 10th?

I'd still love to see that. I do wonder if they go down the path of Ullmark/Saros path? Hopefully Brodeur's love of Marky sees a trad with Calgary occur.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by jg13

https://twitter.com/user/status/1797984446119022686

Jake Allen and Kaapo Kakhonen not the answer?

[SuperMatt18]

Markstrom (25% retained) + 28th OV

for

10th OV + Chase Stillman

I have a feeling the Devils will be looking younger, but I do feel like that's pretty fair value for both sides.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not going to say confidently that Nonis leaked any information to anyone, but maybe somebody inside the organization would want to leak this information to put pressure on ownership to stop meddling. Or, I suppose to take pressure off themselves for failing to complete a trade.

There were plenty of leaks around the trade deadline -- more leaks than I've seen in a decade. Much of it didn't seem very strategic.

It kind of makes sense with Conroy shifting to a broader team-based management style, where Treleving, according to Conroy, did everything alone and behind closed doors. With Conroy's style, there are a lot more people hearing things and talking about them, even "in confidence."

It seems to be a pretty significant issue that Conroy will need to get on top of as these types of rumours can wear down an organization's image in the long term -- and potentially create issues with other teams or players who prefer to keep things behind closed doors (we've seen this with Markstrom already).

[Rhett44]

I think the Devils prefer a younger goalie.

But hopefully Brodeur convinces them otherwise.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I’d like to keep 28th OA. Take on a bad contract.

Markstrom for Palat and 10th OA.

retain 50% on Mangiapane and trade him to a contending team needing a middle 6 winger for cheap. Roll with Palat - Backlund - Coleman

[Braden]

Get the devil's pick! 9th +10th pick in this draft would have me excited about this team for the first time in a long time

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

There were plenty of leaks around the trade deadline -- more leaks than I've seen in a decade. Much of it didn't seem very strategic.

It kind of makes sense with Conroy shifting to a broader team-based management style, where Treleving, according to Conroy, did everything alone and behind closed doors. With Conroy's style, there are a lot more people hearing things and talking about them, even "in confidence."

It seems to be a pretty significant issue that Conroy will need to get on top of as these types of rumours can wear down an organization's image in the long term -- and potentially create issues with other teams or players who prefer to keep things behind closed doors (we've seen this with Markstrom already).

Trelivingbdid everything alone? I find that hard to believe. If so, what did Maloney, Conroy,Snow, Pascal do?

Believe Conroy said Treliving made some decisions on his own.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

We now have enough drops of information by CP insiders, in addition to the Dregers and Friedmans of the world, that Edwards et all play an active role and sometimes it affects the autonomy of the GM and the way they'd otherwise do their business. Reading between all the inferences and drips of information over the past couple years, I'm confused why we're even calling this into question at this point.

Treliving publicly demanded autonomy so they are definitely involved. It does make it even murkier on who is to blame for the disaster he left the Flames in.

Dreger's stuff doesn't even need to be coming from Nonis. It could very well be coming from a pissed off Markstrom via his agent.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Treliving publicly demanded autonomy so they are definitely involved. It does make it even murkier on who is to blame for the disaster he left the Flames in.

Just because he demands autonomy doesn't mean he didn't have it here.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Markstrom (+ whatever retention needed) + 28th for 10th?

I'd still love to see that. I do wonder if they go down the path of Ullmark/Saros path? Hopefully Brodeur's love of Marky sees a trad with Calgary occur.

It's fascinating. A 35-year-old Markstrom isn't worth 10OA on his own, but maybe they discuss a bigger deal.

The fact that the Devils place such a priority on goaltending is unique in the NHL. Their cup success seems to be influencing their position, where other teams have greatly de-emphasized the need for top tier goaltenders.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Tell me what I said that was not true. After that, you can insult me if you like.

Nothing I said is about my own emotional state, so ‘pure fear’ doesn't enter into it. Frankly, the Flames are on the short bus of the NHL. They're the third smallest market in the league, and on the side of the 49th parallel that most players want to avoid. You can deny that if you like, but it won't change the facts, it will just make you delusional.



Did that change the climate? Did that get Calgary annexed to the U.S.? Did that change the currency, the tax structure, or make Calgary into a market of 5 million people? No to all of the above.



There is no sound strategy to win the Cup. All you can do is give yourself chances and hope one of them eventually works. As a small Canadian market, the Flames come up to bat with two strikes already against them. That's a fact, and it makes it more difficult for them than for most teams to build a contender.

If you want to cheer for a real contender, save yourself some heartache and pick another team.



Which ones, and how have they been doing?

Your entire mental framework around this team is one of lack, scarcity, and playing small. It's truly astonishing how one could support a professional sports organization and have zero expectations whatsoever. I truly hope this isn't the prevailing mentality within the organization.

Someone else already posted an extensive list of playoff round wins etc. that other franchises have done, I'm not going to repeat it, but its not like you don't know. If you think one playoff round win every 8-10 years is an acceptable level of success for the Flames, I guess that's your very low bar as a fan. You are likely alone on that island.

The rest of your post is just a whole load of fearful glass half empty nonsense. Population, currency and tax structure haven't held the Flames back in any significant way for probably 2 decades or more. The Flames have attracted big name free agents, dished out large contracts, made big trade splashes, without issue over the years. Yes, not every player wants to come to Calgary but creating opportunities to win or play with great players goes a long way to helping with that, as is probably the case anywhere. How do they get great players? Well first off all, they need opportunities to draft them. And that means acknowledging they need high picks and strategizing their hockey moves accordingly in windows like the current one. Which to their credit -- they did last season. We'll see if that continues.

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by Braden

Get the devil's pick! 9th +10th pick in this draft would have me excited about this team for the first time in a long time

Regardless of whether you're an advocate for Team Tank-for-Elite-Talent or Team "Retool", either option looks much better if you can walk away with say Lindstrom/Parekh or Catton/Buium, or Dickenson/Yakemchuk etc.

Get another pick here and start this thing off right.