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Originally Posted by Jason14h
See this is the problem - You ignore actual success and equate opinion of failure to facts, and team "character" to on ice success
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See, this is not the problem. You yourself called the Flames the biggest joke in the league (or one of three). That's an inherently subjective term, yet you seem to have the illusion that you are being objective.
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The Oilers have had more playoff success in the last 20 years then the Flames. This is even with being the laughing stock of the league for 8 years. They even beat us, and now are in the cup finals
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You yourself admit they were a laughingstock. The Flames aren't and never really have been. They're just sort of there.
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Ottawa lost in the semis and Stanley Cup finals in the last 20 years - Guess those don't count because... Melnyk? Who cares if they have ownership issues. They have had more playoff success
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Ask any Ottawa fan if they thought the occasional playoff success was worth having Melnyk in charge.
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Florida... Holy F - They have had more success the last 2 years then the Flames in 20 seasons
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I see what your problem is. You think a couple of good playoff runs make up for years and years in which they had to give away tickets, because you think playoffs are the only thing that matters. That's your opinion. I happen to think it's a foolish one, because professional hockey is first and foremost a business.
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Islanders went to 2 conference championship in the last 6 years. But they named a backup goalie as a GM.. HAHAH. If only they could hire the amazing management the Flames do!
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Do you recall the imbecilic moves that goalie made when he was GM? No? Then you have no business pretending that you can compare the whole league over the course of the last 20 years.
But there you go again, citing two playoff runs as if they made up for years of empty seats, constant trouble finding a place to play – they even had their arena condemned, for crying out loud.
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News Flash - NO ONE cares about how teams win. No one in the league cares about Iginla and Kipper being good guys outside of Calgary. Stop looking for some holier then thou reason the Flames are "good"
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That's what you think I'm looking for? You're wrong, and it is frankly stupid and rude of you to assume that you know what I'm thinking. I don't know if you could even wrap your head around what I am actually thinking.
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Since the miracle run the Flames have been one of the least successful franchises in the NHL, and are set up with one of the hardest paths forward to a championship based on their current team - No stars on the team and not so bad we can (currently) tank and get 1 easily.
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Have you not noticed that the team is tanking already? They just started the tank late in the season. This is a bottom-five roster in the NHL, easily.
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We have won 2 Playoff series (and one play in) series in 20 years.
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Again, you assume that playoffs are the only thing that matters. Playoffsplayoffsplayoffs.
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We are the embarassement of the league success wise outside of Buffalo
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According to your only criterion.
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The point of sports is to WIN (and make money) not have a team of nice guys.
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No, the point of
professional sports is to MAKE MONEY (and it helps to do that if you win).
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We also employed Bertuzzi and Marchment. We arent some magical ethical organization. We are failures. We need to accept it, look forward, and CHANGE.
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OK, now, you are not a member of the Flames' organization and neither am I. WE are not failures because of how the team operates. But I'm beginning to think that you are thoroughly irrational to call yourself a fan of a team that you obviously hate bitterly. What's in it for you? Why the hell don't you go and follow some better team instead? You have at least 29 to choose from, by your own standards.
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You have some fear of being the "worst" - While I want them to aim to be the best.
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I have no fear at all. Not my circus, not my monkeys. I just enjoy watching how it all unfolds, and what stories develop as it goes along.
Whereas you care about nothing but PLAYOFFSPLAYOFFSPLAYOFFS, and are doomed to be disappointed most of the time no matter what team you choose to be a fan of. Sounds like an awful hobby.
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No one remembers who finished last 10 years ago (unless you are a disgruntled Flames fan and it was EDM) but most people can remember who won the cup
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Everyone remembers which teams were so bad for so long that they drove away their fans, went broke, and had to sell out to a different city. (Those of us who are older than dirt also remember which teams folded entirely. Anyone who thinks that can never happen again is a sucker.)
Calgary is the third smallest market in the NHL (and also the third coldest). Most players don't want to play here. Local media revenue is maxed out, and gate revenue is sharply limited, both by the size of the market and by the crumbling hunk of concrete the team plays in. At least three-quarters of the league has a significant competitive advantage over Calgary.
It would be nice if the Flames won another Stanley Cup some day, but only a fool would expect it. And only a maniac would demand it, or think that the team's managers must be incompetent because they can't deliver on a 100-to-1 shot.
You don't ‘aim to be the best’. You wilfully chose to cheer for a team that CANNOT be the best, and then cry and whine because they aren't something they cannot be.