2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I like Necas quite a bit, but that’s an exceptionally dumb move. Calgary is no where close to being a playoff team.

So let's say Necas flourishes into a #1 C ala Lindholm. Necas is 25 years old, how long are you expecting the Flames to be non competitive? 10 years? Or do you think even if it takes 5 years that Necas will have seriously declined at 30 years old?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Sure, Toffoli for Sharangovich and a 3rd? Why would he take Sharangovich if he was rebuilding? Why would he insist on a mid 20's D man like Miromanov from Vegas? Let's revisit this after the offseason and let me know how your rebuild is going.

lol we are retooling with Sharangovich and Miromanov a guy who switched positions what 5 years ago?

You do understand you still need to ice a team right? We literally don’t have the prospect depth to fill out the roster from AHL call ups, so of course we are taking players back.

Who exactly are we retooling around ? Huberdeau? Kadri? Backlund?

Our 2 NHL defenceman?

We had a trade worked out for our starting goalie.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Sure, Toffoli for Sharangovich and a 3rd? Why would he take Sharangovich if he was rebuilding?

Because he had the opportunity to buy low on a player who was being badly under-used by the Devils? Sharangovich is now a 30-goal scorer who can be traded for better futures than Toffoli could.

Why would he insist on a mid 20's D man like Miromanov from Vegas?

Same reason. He thinks there is value there that Vegas didn't recognize or couldn't put to use.

Look, even in a scorched-earth rebuild you have to ice a team that complies with the salary floor. You can't simply ditch your whole roster and have 23 kids on the team. Sometimes, when roster players move out, roster players have to come back in.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So let's say Necas flourishes into a #1 C ala Lindholm. Necas is 25 years old, how long are you expecting the Flames to be non competitive? 10 years? Or do you think even if it takes 5 years that Necas will have seriously declined at 30 years old?

Let's not forget that this is a trade, not a marriage. If Necas turns into a #1 C, it will be very easy to trade him for more futures. There are always plenty of bidders for a player of that calibre.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

OK, then. At that point, the disagreement is about what the Flames would give up to acquire him, not about the player himself.

I agree that it would be ridiculous to give up the #9 pick for Necas, and silly to include #28 unless there are also picks and/or good prospects coming back. But I can see the rationale for spending a later pick (somebody mentioned a 2nd) to convert one of the Flames' older roster players into a younger and better roster player.

In any case, I'm not breaking out my torch and pitchfork until I see what (if anything) actually happens.

I just don’t see the point of adding a Necas. We aren’t competing for the playoffs next season.

No one has said who we are retooling around. Conroy actions as you said yourself are much different than what he says. All his trades thus far are rebuilding trades.

Adding a Necas makes sense for a team with a core built, and looking to add to take the next step in the playoffs. Like Florida when they got Reinhart.

We should be focused on making all of our picks, and adding more picks before we entertain moving any assets for any players.

Nothing has happened yet. No pitchforks out from my end. Just think he doesn’t fit the timeline of this team.

[Roof-Daddy]

Haha

Imagine if the Flames trade 28th overall plus a roster player for Necas. That would give the Canes 10 picks in this draft.

They picked 10 players last year
They picked 14 players in 2021

They are almost never in a draft pick deficit, despite being a top team in the league every year and a legit cup threat.

Why?

Because they draft so many players they always have good ones coming up to replace the Martin Necas' of the world when they get expensive.

This is what the Flames should try to do as well, but instead of trading the Martin Necas' of the world for draft picks they trade draft picks for the Martin Necas' of the world.

They have finally stock piled some picks, and IMO they should keep doing it until they are able to make Carolina Hurricane type moves.

If they do the opposite and go down that path again I can only laugh.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Let's not forget that this is a trade, not a marriage. If Necas turns into a #1 C, it will be very easy to trade him for more futures. There are always plenty of bidders for a player of that calibre.

Necas is a right winger.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So let's say Necas flourishes into a #1 C ala Lindholm. Necas is 25 years old, how long are you expecting the Flames to be non competitive? 10 years? Or do you think even if it takes 5 years that Necas will have seriously declined at 30 years old?

How did the Flames do with Lindholm as their number 1 C?

Anyone thinking the Flames can retool around Necas and Sharo needs their head examined - including the flames ownership and management (if that’s the case )

Maybe we’ll finish 11th last instead bottom 3 and lose our pick . As long as there are some mid Feb pride comebacks in there sounds good to me

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I just don’t see the point of adding a Necas. We aren’t competing for the playoffs next season.

No one has said who we are retooling around. Conroy actions as you said yourself are much different than what he says. All his trades thus far are rebuilding trades.

Adding a Necas makes sense for a team with a core built, and looking to add to take the next step in the playoffs. Like Florida when they got Reinhart.

We should be focused on making all of our picks, and adding more picks before we entertain moving any assets for any players.

Nothing has happened yet. No pitchforks out from my end. Just think he doesn’t fit the timeline of this team.

I think we're both sitting in the middle on this one, and pretty much agree.

I think it's only worth acquiring Necas if you can buy low enough that there is a good chance of a quick profit. I wouldn't be surprised if both Sharangovich and Kuzmenko get flipped to contenders next season, and Necas might be another candidate for that kind of move.

It's day trading, not buy-and-hold investing; but there is a place for both. Conroy was handed the proverbial red paper clip and is trying to parlay it into some working capital. I won't judge him if he flips some peculiar assets at points along the way.

But I don't see Necas as a long-term solution to anything, and I'll frankly be rather surprised if the Flames end up acquiring him.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

How did the Flames do with Lindholm as their number 1 C?

Won their division when they had wingers that had chemistry with him.

Next question?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha

Imagine if the Flames trade 28th overall plus a roster player for Necas. That would give the Canes 10 picks in this draft.

They picked 10 players last year
They picked 14 players in 2021

They are almost never in a draft pick deficit, despite being a top team in the league every year and a legit cup threat.

Why?

Because they draft so many players they always have good ones coming up to replace the Martin Necas' of the world when they get expensive.

This is what the Flames should try to do as well, but instead of trading the Martin Necas' of the world for draft picks they trade draft picks for the Martin Necas' of the world.

They have finally stock piled some picks, and IMO they should keep doing it until they are able to make Carolina Hurricane type moves.

If they do the opposite and go down that path again I can only laugh.

We finally have picks and people want to throw it away. Like it’s burning a hole in our pockets. Much like Treliving and having any cap space. Gotta use it all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I think we're both sitting in the middle on this one, and pretty much agree.

I think it's only worth acquiring Necas if you can buy low enough that there is a good chance of a quick profit. I wouldn't be surprised if both Sharangovich and Kuzmenko get flipped to contenders next season, and Necas might be another candidate for that kind of move.

It's day trading, not buy-and-hold investing; but there is a place for both. Conroy was handed the proverbial red paper clip and is trying to parlay it into some working capital. I won't judge him if he flips some peculiar assets at points along the way.

But I don't see Necas as a long-term solution to anything, and I'll frankly be rather surprised if the Flames end up acquiring him.

It’s what I said earlier. If we can make a hockey trade for him, maybe give him a short term deal and flip him for more picks while eating some of his salary that’s a huge win.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha

Imagine if the Flames trade 28th overall plus a roster player for Necas. That would give the Canes 10 picks in this draft.

They picked 10 players last year
They picked 14 players in 2021

They are almost never in a draft pick deficit, despite being a top team in the league every year and a legit cup threat.

Why?

Because they draft so many players they always have good ones coming up to replace the Martin Necas' of the world when they get expensive.

This is what the Flames should try to do as well, but instead of trading the Martin Necas' of the world for draft picks they trade draft picks for the Martin Necas' of the world.

They have finally stock piled some picks, and IMO they should keep doing it until they are able to make Carolina Hurricane type moves.

If they do the opposite and go down that path again I can only laugh.

This is my worst fear. They get necas, they feed off the energy make the playoffs or come close. Owner now convinced were legit gives the mandate to go all in.
We blow more picks to get mediocre players ya da yada

The next year we come to earth , the team blows, cant be quickly fixed, were where we are now but with less assets to start with and a bloated Necas contract on top of it.

Nashville is another good example, upper tier club, loaded with draft picks the next few years .

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha

Imagine if the Flames trade 28th overall plus a roster player for Necas. That would give the Canes 10 picks in this draft.

They picked 10 players last year
They picked 14 players in 2021

They are almost never in a draft pick deficit, despite being a top team in the league every year and a legit cup threat.

Why?

Because they draft so many players they always have good ones coming up to replace the Martin Necas' of the world when they get expensive.

This is what the Flames should try to do as well, but instead of trading the Martin Necas' of the world for draft picks they trade draft picks for the Martin Necas' of the world.

They have finally stock piled some picks, and IMO they should keep doing it until they are able to make Carolina Hurricane type moves.

If they do the opposite and go down that path again I can only laugh.

Every year I am told they are a cup threat but I'm yet to see it

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Won their division when they had wingers that had chemistry with him.

Next question?

If that’s your goal for the next decade - win a division and 1 playoff round - hard to argue I guess

[dammage79]

The Canes model is what the Flames should be doing. Tons of draft capital, draft a lot, churn players out as they get more expensive, move ELCs in as they go. Make smart trades.

Canes seem to draft like I want the Flames to draft as well.

To be clear, I want Necas but I think they can get it done another way than spending their 1sts. Might take one of the 2nds but that is fair value IMO when paired with a roster player.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Nashville is another good example, upper tier club, loaded with draft picks the next few years .

Nashville? Upper tier club?

The team that has finished either 4th or 5th in their division for five years running, and hasn't won a playoff round in that time?

I thought that was exactly the kind of mediocrity we were all supposed to hate.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If that’s your goal for the next decade - win a division and 1 playoff round - hard to argue I guess

That isn't the goal. But is it better to do that, or to miss the playoffs every year?

Some fans have this idea that every season is a total failure unless their team wins the Stanley Cup. Which means that every single team fails most of the time, even the ones that have a success or two thrown in here and there. Are you one of those fans?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Every year I am told they are a cup threat but I'm yet to see it

His point stand. They are a well run organization. Their issue is they don’t have that star player to get them over the hump.

That’s how we can be different the next 3 drafts have some top end talent and a potential generational player in 2026.

If we can keep bringing in players via the draft and replace players on your roster with those players and trade aging players for more picks you don’t need to overspend in free agency.

The scouts have shown they can find players. Let’s give them as many chances as we can.

[dammage79]

Like, in my head I have Necas and a Canes trade with CGY like this:

Necas alone: Roster player and balanced value pick 2nd-3rd round.

Necas and a salary dump (is that Kotkaniemi? I truly don't know but let's say it is for this):
Roster player , pick downgrade by 2 rounds at most.

Necas and a player for Markstrom, no picks.

I don't know if the Canes want Markstrom as they have a pretty full stable as is and Kochetkov is ready IMO for the top job. But again, I don't know.