2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Royle9

28th + a roster player is what Frank seems to think it would take.
Or a 2nd + higher end player/prospect.

We're competing against Vancouver who has no cap room too.

If the Canes want to move cap space as well and focus money elsewhere as well. Kotkaniemi being packaged in could lessen the pick Serivalli thinks the trade needs.

Apparently Seattle and MTL are sniffing around Necas as well. But they still don't compete very well in expendable cap space.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Puke . Exciting to get to pay a guy 6-7 million to get 55-70 pts a year wasting his prime while we aren’t competitive .

Maybe he can move the needle enough that we can’t get an impact draft pick , while also being a cap drag into his early / mid 30s!

A flames special as they call it

The chances of a drafted player @ 28 even turning into a 50-70pt player is less than 5%.

Not every player puts up 30g
Very few put up more than 65pts in a season.

Craig has been very clear multiple times that these are the types of players he's looking for, and we have no idea what his next contract is going to be.
You can get angry all you want but that's the reality of the situation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

See, this is the kind of garbage that adds nothing to any conversation.

If you're going to ridicule the other side's position, maybe you should actually try to figure out what that position is instead of making up crap to bitch about.

His position is that the rebuild is over because Conroy said he wanted the team to compete.

He’s been vocal about trading picks for Martin Necas. A real needle mover and a core piece apparently.

We are watching 2 teams with star players and high draft picks in the Finals and 2 of them used to be Flames.

People will complain we suck, but don’t want to go through some pain to get better. The team finally looks to be on the right path, and they get impatient when we finally have some draft capital to trade it away for mediocre players right away.

[dammage79]

If you take Conroys comments at face value (no reason not to), Necas is exactly the kind of player he's shopping for. Under utilized and needs a bigger opportunity. His comments so far have indicated he's looking for (as I like to call them, misfit toys) and Centers under 23.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Royle9

The chances of a drafted player @ 28 even turning into a 50-70pt player is less than 5%.

Not every player puts up 30g
Very few put up more than 65pts in a season.

Craig has been very clear multiple times that these are the types of players he's looking for, and we have no idea what his next contract is going to be.
You can get angry all you want but that's the reality of the situation.

It's a very short sighted option. As a few people said pages back, we don't need another Stempniak.

Pass.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

His position is that the rebuild is over because Conroy said he wanted the team to compete.

He’s been vocal about trading picks for Martin Necas. A real needle mover and a core piece apparently.

Who is ‘he’ in this case? I'm having a hard time spotting anybody who has said this. As far as I can remember, the only people saying that acquiring Necas meant the rebuild was over were those who think it's a stupid thing to do and will only happen because Conroy is stupid, too.

It appears that a large contingent of CPers believe Murray Edwards is too stupid to breathe, and the Flames' front office is full of people who are even dumber than that. I don't know how else they can so confidently predict that the team certainly will destroy its rebuild in this particular fashion.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It's a very short sighted option. As a few people said pages back, we don't need another Stempniak.

Pass.

When Lee Stempniak came to the Flames he was 30 years old. 4 years is a very sizeable gap in between their ages of acquisition and the Flames will be getting his prime years.

Stempniak is a weak comparison.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It's a very short sighted option. As a few people said pages back, we don't need another Stempniak.

Pass.

About as short sighted as comparing a guy who's high was 40 points his whole career to a young guy that has already hit 70?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Who is ‘he’ in this case? I'm having a hard time spotting anybody who has said this. As far as I can remember, the only people saying that acquiring Necas meant the rebuild was over were those who think it's a stupid thing to do and will only happen because Conroy is stupid, too.

Dissentowner

Well what are we doing if we are trading draft capital for a Martin Necas soon to be 26 year old winger? That’s not rebuilding.

The team needs star talent. Getting roster players nudging us out of the bottom
5 back into picking 10th-15th has us in no man’s land.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Kucherov doesn’t win a Championship without Hedman and Stamkos.

Or without Brayden Point.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Dissentowner

Well what are we doing if we are trading draft capital for a Martin Necas soon to be 26 year old winger? That’s not rebuilding.

The team needs star talent. Getting roster players nudging us out of the bottom
5 back into picking 10th-15th has us in no man’s land.

We are not rebuilding. The mandate is to get back in the playoffs ASAP. That's why they are retooling. It doesn't matter if rebuilding is the way to do it, it doesn't matter what you or I want, it's what ownership wants.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Dissentowner

Thank you.

Well what are we doing if we are trading draft capital for a Martin Necas soon to be 26 year old winger? That’s not rebuilding.

If Dissentowner were GM of the Flames, you would have a point bitching about that. But several posters are complaining about it as if it had already happened, and using it as proof that the Flames are stupid.

The team needs star talent. Getting roster players nudging us out of the bottom
5 back into picking 10th-15th has us in no man’s land.

Adding Necas won't do that. The team still has one of the worst defences in the NHL – two NHL D, a project, and spare parts.

Let me ask you something. If the Carolina front office had a collective brain fart and offered the Flames Necas for free, should the Flames take him?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Thank you.



If Dissentowner were GM of the Flames, you would have a point bitching about that. But several posters are complaining about it as if it had already happened, and using it as proof that the Flames are stupid.



Adding Necas won't do that. The team still has one of the worst defences in the NHL – two NHL D, a project, and spare parts.

Let me ask you something. If the Carolina front office had a collective brain fart and offered the Flames Necas for free, should the Flames take him?

I’ve said that if it’s a hockey trade yes.

Markstrom or Mangiapane sure. Absolutely no to moving any picks for him.

We would be better off trading Mangipane, Andersson and Markstrom for picks and prospects in my mind.

I’d do the hockey trade because he’s not a big needle mover so it’s a saw off.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We are not rebuilding. The mandate is to get back in the playoffs ASAP. That's why they are retooling. It doesn't matter if rebuilding is the way to do it, it doesn't matter what you or I want, it's what ownership wants.

Conroy has said the team isn't rebuilding. He has also said that to him, the definition of ‘rebuild’ matches what most fans call ‘scorched earth’. Like all management people, he doesn't like to describe what he's doing in deliberately negative terms.

Someone or other asked recently what team, other than the Rangers a while back, has ever come out and officially said it was rebuilding. I don't recall that the question was ever answered.

There used to be a saying, a million years ago when I was young: ‘Actions speak louder than words.’ Apparently that saying has been totally forgotten. But humour an old geezer for a moment. Tell me one thing Conroy has done so far as GM that indicates he is not doing what fans would call a rebuild.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We are not rebuilding. The mandate is to get back in the playoffs ASAP. That's why they are retooling. It doesn't matter if rebuilding is the way to do it, it doesn't matter what you or I want, it's what ownership wants.

Can you show me which trade that Conroy made was a retooling trade?

[dissentowner]

I think Paulie thinks I am Murray Edwards or something. I can't control what the mandate is for the team. If they are going to try and retool on the fly while trying to make the playoffs then Necas is a good target. If you can get him for the Canucks pick and another pick like a 2nd or 3rd that is a smart move, he has lots of talent and has lots to show yet. I can tell you from what I have heard I think there is about zero chance Conroy makes all those pics he has amassed.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

We are not rebuilding. The mandate is to get back in the playoffs ASAP. That's why they are retooling. It doesn't matter if rebuilding is the way to do it, it doesn't matter what you or I want, it's what ownership wants.

I think we all get that.

I think retooling will make us get back to the playoffs even longer than rebuilding.

Because once the retooling fails, we’ll have no choice but to rebuild but we’ll have wasted 4 years and have less assets than if we started a real rebuild today.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think Paulie thinks I am Murray Edwards or something. I can't control what the mandate is for the team. If they are going to try and retool on the fly while trying to make the playoffs then Necas is a good target. If you can get him for the Canucks pick and another pick like a 2nd or 3rd that is a smart move, he has lots of talent and has lots to show yet. I can tell you from what I have heard I think there is about zero chance Conroy makes all those pics he has amassed.

I like Necas quite a bit, but that’s an exceptionally dumb move. Calgary is no where close to being a playoff team.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Can you show me which trade that Conroy made was a retooling trade?

Sure, Toffoli for Sharangovich and a 3rd? Why would he take Sharangovich if he was rebuilding? Why would he insist on a mid 20's D man like Miromanov from Vegas? Let's revisit this after the offseason and let me know how your rebuild is going.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I’ve said that if it’s a hockey trade yes.

OK, then. At that point, the disagreement is about what the Flames would give up to acquire him, not about the player himself.

I agree that it would be ridiculous to give up the #9 pick for Necas, and silly to include #28 unless there are also picks and/or good prospects coming back. But I can see the rationale for spending a later pick (somebody mentioned a 2nd) to convert one of the Flames' older roster players into a younger and better roster player.

In any case, I'm not breaking out my torch and pitchfork until I see what (if anything) actually happens.