2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames with their current roster have a high probability of drafting top five next year. With a few moves towards rebuilding which would allow them to get even more young assets they would be almost a lock. They definitely are positioned to get those types of players in the next two drafts.

Definitely. Hopefully they don’t try and shortcut it

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Kane, Toews, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Hedman, Doughty... the list of cup winning high draft picks is long and illustrious. And now unfortunately it could be McDavid and Draisaitl soon.

The evidence for scorched earth rebuilding is so overwhelming I can't believe anyone has the audacity to suggest anything else.

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The Panthers have

1 - 1st overall
2 - 2nd overall
1 - 4th overall
2 - 6th overall

6 players taken in the top 6.

Why is everyone forgetting RNH!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or a Nikita Kucherov. You can win a lottery and get Yakopov. Or Daigle. Or Eric Johnson. You can draft top 5 and get Sam Bennett.

Kucherov doesn’t win a Championship without Hedman and Stamkos.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Why is everyone forgetting RNH!

Not going to lie, I actually forgot he existed lol.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or a Nikita Kucherov. You can win a lottery and get Yakopov. Or Daigle. Or Eric Johnson. You can draft top 5 and get Sam Bennett.

Where are you most likely to draft star players on a consistent basis?

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Kucherov doesn’t win a Championship without Hedman and Stamkos.

Well he did prove he could win one without Stamkos. Didn’t need his 1 game played the first year they won it. Pretty sure Stamkos wouldn’t have won without Kucherov though. Fact is, you need both. You need to hit on some of your later picks. And you definitely need to hit when you draft top 5.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Most of the negative fans have just wanted a true rebuild since the Iginla era though...as they believe that's how you build a winner.

And as much I think there are other ways to build winning teams...doing a scorched earth rebuild with lots of early picks seems to be the most effective way.

And the thing is even if you fail like the Oilers V1 and Sabres V1 rebuilds, if you suck long enough eventually you fall backwards into enough talent to have a strong base to build upon.

Its the teams that try to stay relevant that tend to just get stuck in mediocrity forever.

Flames rebuild last time was fine. Actually I was quite proud of the way they turned it around. They just messed up with Bennett and some of their UFA choices. Had picks 4,5,6, acquired Dougie Hamilton. Huge mistake when they were rebuilding was putting Backlund as the #2 centre. Don’t win cups with a 2c like that imo. You win cups when he’s your 3c. Slotting should’ve been:

Gaudreau Monahan
Tkachuk Bennett
Then Backlund and tweak off of that.

Can’t fault management for hitting on later round picks and making the team competitive. If they wouldn’t have messed up with Bennett, that would’ve changed a lot of things imo.

[dammage79]

The last rebuild got stymied at the Hamonic trade and then went off the rails. That was the impatience showing through.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The last rebuild got stymied at the Hamonic trade and the went off the rails. That was the impatience showing through.

Absolutely.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The last rebuild got stymied at the Hamonic trade and the went off the rails. That was the impatience showing through.

That trade and the Troy Brower tree as I call it.

Awful singing, compounded into Neal which turned into Lucic.

Big black hole of cap space.

[dammage79]

I've been watching a ton of Necas highlights today. I want that player on the Flames. Don't spend high end draft capital and get it done. I think the Flames have the players to make Necas a bonafide top 6 forward. I honestly think he and Zary would pair excellently with eachother. Work around that idea as a coaching staff.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Other posters are not joining in?? Huh? Posters are not contributing to or objecting the points made by other posters?

I never said that other posters were not joining in. I said that it's not a monologue if they do. Try reading.

What thread are you reading?

Apparently it's the ‘Flames Suck And Always Will Because Teh Stoopidz’ thread, though it doesn't say that in the title bar.

The thread is more active than it has been in weeks following the post of a Necas trade about to drop.

Yes, active with people blaming the Flames for blowing their rebuild and condemning themselves to a decade of narrowly missing the playoffs because it is somehow known that they will acquire Necas and pay too much for him.

It's incredibly tiresome. As I just said, we've heard all 1,147 verses of this song before.

If you need to watch hockey to find something to complain about, maybe you should get some real trouble in your life. Some of us do this to get away from our troubles, not to go hunting for fresh ones.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The last rebuild got stymied at the Hamonic trade and then went off the rails. That was the impatience showing through.

True. That was just a straight up bad trade though. If he spends what he traded for another Hamilton type trade that would’ve been fine. Don’t know how Tre thought Hamonic was ever worth what he paid though.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I've been watching a ton of Necas highlights today. I want that player on the Flames. Don't spend high end draft capital and get it done. I think the Flames have the players to make Necas a bonafide top 6 forward. I honestly think he and Zary would pair excellently with eachother. Work around that idea as a coaching staff.

28th + a roster player is what Frank seems to think it would take.
Or a 2nd + higher end player/prospect.

We're competing against Vancouver who has no cap room too.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

True. That was just a straight up bad trade though. If he spends what he traded for another Hamilton type trade that would’ve been fine. Don’t know how Tre thought Hamonic was ever worth what he was worth.

Even the Hamilton trade while good asset management didn’t completely move the bar

Flames could have drafted Barzal and had 7? Milllion extra in cap
Room

Now they prob blow that on a James Neal ! But it isn’t just the picks for a player coming off their entry level contract / due a new contract . It’s the $ you are paying them

NFL figured this out a long time ago in a true cap world . Very good players wanting to be paid like stars get traded for picks every year , while teams lock up their stars and superstars

Trading picks AND signing a market deal ? What’s the point .

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Royle9

28th + a roster player is what Frank seems to think it would take.
Or a 2nd + higher end player/prospect.

We're competing against Vancouver who has no cap room too.

Puke . Exciting to get to pay a guy 6-7 million to get 55-70 pts a year wasting his prime while we aren’t competitive .

Maybe he can move the needle enough that we can’t get an impact draft pick , while also being a cap drag into his early / mid 30s!

A flames special as they call it

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Even the Hamilton trade while good asset management didn’t completely move the bar

Flames could have drafted Barzal and had 7? Milllion extra in cap
Room

Now they prob blow that on a James Neal ! But it isn’t just the picks for a player coming off their entry level contract / due a new contract . It’s the $ you are paying them

NFL figured this out a long time ago in a true cap world . Very good players wanting to be paid like stars get traded for picks every year , while teams lock up their stars and superstars

Trading picks AND signing a market deal ? What’s the point .

The moves were pointless. Didn't do anything of impact and there were still glaring holes in the lineup. But Tre liked to wheel and deal.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Idiots. They could have traded those 1st overall picks and get a Martin Necas and some 2nd rounders and hope to get a star like Kucherov.

See, this is the kind of garbage that adds nothing to any conversation.

If you're going to ridicule the other side's position, maybe you should actually try to figure out what that position is instead of making up crap to bitch about.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Puke . Exciting to get to pay a guy 6-7 million to get 55-70 pts a year wasting his prime while we aren’t competitive .

Maybe he can move the needle enough that we can’t get an impact draft pick , while also being a cap drag into his early / mid 30s!

A flames special as they call it

You aren't excited at the notion of finishing 11th worst instead of 5th worst and losing our 1st round pick next year?

All to sign a player who will be over 30 by the time we make the playoffs again?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Shazam

The moves were pointless. Didn't do anything of impact and there were still glaring holes in the lineup. But Tre liked to wheel and deal.

If you can't make a trade unless it fills ALL the holes in your lineup at once, I guess nobody will ever make a trade.