2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Those type of players win Championships.

You only get those players picking high, top 5, winning a lottery.

Not picking 12th. That’s how you end up with a Martin Necas.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’d even jump in here to be argumentative and say that it is how you build a winner and it’s not really a point of debate any longer.

When you go look at the salary cap era, it’s very clear. The Oilers are a very good example of the fact that you can be almost entirely incompetent and still have it come together better than the Flames’ “strategy”.

I also agree with traptor - the Flames need star players, and Necas ain’t that. He’s a fine player who would contribute to the Flames inability to draft from the positions they need.

If the Flames had two to three top-5 draft picks already in the system, I’d be somewhat on board with a Necas trade - but the timing is wrong right now. I generally feel that we should avoid trades like this though regardless of whatever stage the team is in - I’d much sooner see them just take the patient approach and draft and develop.

The Flames need to draft and develop their own stars. It’s step 1.

Well tanking is certainly how Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Tampa, Colorado and Flordai/Edmonton built their championship teams.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You only get those players picking high, top 5, winning a lottery.

Not picking 12th. That’s how you end up with a Martin Necas.

Or a Nikita Kucherov. You can win a lottery and get Yakopov. Or Daigle. Or Eric Johnson. You can draft top 5 and get Sam Bennett.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or a Nikita Kucherov. You can win a lottery and get Yakopov. Or Daigle. Or Eric Johnson. You can draft top 5 and get Sam Bennett.

Cup champion Erik Johnson ? 2 time finalist Sam Bennett?

Kucherov who is playing with 1st overall pick Hedman and Stamkos ?

[Flamesfan05]

Every Stanley Cup winner have at least a top 5 pick. Most has severals.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or a Nikita Kucherov. You can win a lottery and get Yakopov. Or Daigle. Or Eric Johnson. You can draft top 5 and get Sam Bennett.

The scarcity mindset amazes me. Most if not all stars and elite legends of the game are the highest draft picks. They are the guys winning cups, sometimes numerous cups. Being scared to take a shot at landing those players is insane to me. Are you that afraid of a few years of pain? I have news for you, the Flames are going to suck anyways, they might as well get something for it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or a Nikita Kucherov. You can win a lottery and get Yakopov. Or Daigle. Or Eric Johnson. You can draft top 5 and get Sam Bennett.

You would not get a Kucherov by drafting 12th. If you are looking to go down that route the Flames should trade their 9th overall pick to Carolina for Carolina’s next four 2nd round draft picks and hope to land a Kucherov late in the second round.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or a Nikita Kucherov. You can win a lottery and get Yakopov. Or Daigle. Or Eric Johnson. You can draft top 5 and get Sam Bennett.

Exceptionally lame argument.

Are you saying that the odds prove getting a very high pick does not increase your odds of getting elite talent.

Because if you aren’t, your statement is a waste of space because even you don’t believe it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You would not get a Kucherov by drafting 12th. If you are looking to go down that route the Flames should trade their 9th overall pick to Carolina for Carolina’s next four 2nd round draft picks and hope to land a Kucherov late in the second round.

Or better yet, trade every player worth a 2nd and get more picks lol

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You would not get a Kucherov by drafting 12th. If you are looking to go down that route the Flames should trade their 9th overall pick to Carolina for Carolina’s next four 2nd round draft picks and hope to land a Kucherov late in the second round.

He’s taken Conroys word to heart. Not his actions.

After dismantling the roster for picks and plug in players, the plan is to make the playoffs.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Mackinnon, Makar, Eichel, Kucherov and Crosby anyways.

Kane, Toews, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Hedman, Doughty... the list of cup winning high draft picks is long and illustrious. And now unfortunately it could be McDavid and Draisaitl soon.

The evidence for scorched earth rebuilding is so overwhelming I can't believe anyone has the audacity to suggest anything else.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The scarcity mindset amazes me. Most if not all stars and elite legends of the game are the highest draft picks. They are the guys winning cups, sometimes numerous cups. Being scared to take a shot at landing those players is insane to me. Are you that afraid of a few years of pain? I have news for you, the Flames are going to suck anyways, they might as well get something for it.

Which they shouldn't be. Really, the Flames being in mediocracy purgatory for three decades now is really the worst possible place to be in as a franchise. There hasn't been one stretch since '89 were the Flames were considered cup contenders. Flames making it to the second round of the playoffs once a decade is the peak for this club. Buffalo Sabres playoff drought might be the only franchise to beat that. I guess you could include the Coyotes in this also, but their situation is different due to organizational instability. Flames and Sabres don't have off ice distractions.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’d even jump in here to be argumentative and say that it is how you build a winner and it’s not really a point of debate any longer.

When you go look at the salary cap era, it’s very clear. The Oilers are a very good example of the fact that you can be almost entirely incompetent and still have it come together better than the Flames’ “strategy”.

The oilers have basically managed in a way detrimental to winning a cup and they are in the finals because of McDavid. If they had competent management then McDavid would already have one.
The only team to depth their way to a cup was the Blues and they were riding one of the best goalie performances in a long time.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He’s taken Conroys word to heart. Not his actions.

After dismantling the roster for picks and plug in players, the plan is to make the playoffs.

I’m still in trust but verify mode lol. The offseason will be pretty telling.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Kane, Toews, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Hedman, Doughty... the list of cup winning high draft picks is long and illustrious. And now unfortunately it could be McDavid and Draisaitl soon.

The evidence for scorched earth rebuilding is so overwhelming I can't believe anyone has the audacity to suggest anything else.

The Panthers have

1 - 1st overall
2 - 2nd overall
1 - 4th overall
2 - 6th overall

6 players taken in the top 6.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or a Nikita Kucherov. You can win a lottery and get Yakopov. Or Daigle. Or Eric Johnson. You can draft top 5 and get Sam Bennett.

Your arguments are crazy. Every Stanley Cup winner has several of these top pick players. Just because you could draft a bust, doesn't mean you don't want the chance at some of these players.

But by all means the Flames should continue to trade for secondary pieces like Necas instead of rebuilding. I'm sure adding Necas as one of your core players is the way for success!

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Every Stanley Cup winner have at least a top 5 pick. Most has severals.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1797458026263404667

The Flames do have Huberdeau (#3) and Kadri (#7) but they are 31/33 years old. No other regulars on the Flames were even drafted in the top 20, which is actually quite remarkable.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1797458026263404667

The Flames do have Huberdeau (#3) and Kadri (#7) but they are 31/33 years old. No other regulars on the Flames were even drafted in the top 20, which is actually quite remarkable.

The Flames have a lot of depth and have been pretty good at drafting it but no stars outside of some prospects already in the system exploding

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1797458026263404667

The Flames do have Huberdeau (#3) and Kadri (#7) but they are 31/33 years old. No other regulars on the Flames were even drafted in the top 20, which is actually quite remarkable.

Idiots. They could have traded those 1st overall picks and get a Martin Necas and some 2nd rounders and hope to get a star like Kucherov.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The Flames have a lot of depth and have been pretty good at drafting it but no stars outside of some prospects already in the system exploding

The Flames with their current roster have a high probability of drafting top five next year. With a few moves towards rebuilding which would allow them to get even more young assets they would be almost a lock. They definitely are positioned to get those types of players in the next two drafts.