2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Sharks aren’t really the team to point to when it comes to a rebuild. They are like the Flames and the intention wasn’t to do a full rebuild. They are where the Flames will be if they don’t hit on some picks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SanJoseShar...nt_no_rebuild/
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/02/...-surprise/amp/

Better prospects and better contract situation. Their definitely off to a better start.

[TheScorpion]

Yup, Sharks are about to have made a No. 4 and a No. 1 pick in back-to-back years.

[ReinhartonD]

You can never tell what Montreal might do--I've thought that going back to them trading for Scott Gomez. Some of their younger talent is small. I watched their last few games of the season and their kid on defence--Lane Hutson--looks like Quinn Hughes out there. Their fans were clearly excited about what he can do.

I think they may have thought a guy like Xhekaj would help protect guys like that (Hutson is about 160 soaking wet and looks like he's 14) but then they may have hit on another prospect with Logan Maillioux who also looks like he's got a lot of potential--and he's a big boy who could be a running mate for Hutson.

Does that mean Xhekaj shakes loose? The fans like him because he took care of Reaves, but that's not a reason to keep him around. I don't say we need him, or Jeannot, but watching Big Z against the Greasers made me think there is still value in having someone other teams have to watch out for when he's on the ice.

[Jay Random]

Xhekaj would fit in very well with names like Brzustewicz, Grushnikov, Ignatjew, and Kuzmenko. We still need an X on the team.

Collect ALL the Scrabble tiles!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yup, Sharks are about to have made a No. 4 and a No. 1 pick in back-to-back years.

and will have got Will Smith and Macklin Celebrini - two potential top end centres.

I’d much, much, much sooner be the Sharks than the Flames.

[1qqaaz]

I think Mike Grier is one of the worst GMs in hockey, yet when you finish at the bottom of the standings, it's just so easy to compile high end future assets.

[Roof-Daddy]

Imagine adding two center prospects like Smith and Celebrini in back to back drafts and then debuting them at the same time.

Flames will probably never have one C prospect of that caliber, nevermind two of them at the same time.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think Mike Grier is one of the worst GMs in hockey, yet when you finish at the bottom of the standings, it's just so easy to compile high end future assets.

Yeah, but it's also on him to execute. Two top-end picks working out as best as well as possible generally still isn't enough (...although better than what we've managed).

Why do you think Grier is bad? When you add all the trades up the key pieces don't look terrible.

In:
2023 1st (Musty)
2024 1st (14th OA)
2025 1st (VGK)
2024 2nd (42nd)
Edstrom (2023 1st, 32nd OA)
Mukhamadullin (2020 1st, 20th OA)

Out:
Meier
Karlsson
Hertl
3rd
3rd

A pending RFA with 1-year left of that status, an $11.5M ($1.5M retained) defenceman who had one strong bounce back season and was then traded (well timed by Grier), and then Hertl who was a long-term contract that didn't really fit in with where the team was going.

I think Grier has done just fine. That's five or six high end pieces in return for 3 veterans who didn't fit the team going forward and making those trades had a direct impact in improving SJ's own 1st round picks that have resulted in their #1 and #2 centres going forward (Celebrini, Smith). I would expect he'll also grab a fairly nice piece at 14 this year as well (would make sense to draft a defenceman...if Yakemchuk is there? Great pull).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Better prospects and better contract situation. Their definitely off to a better start.

Yeah, but they fell into it backwards and it wasn't planned lol. The Sharks haven't made the playoffs in five years and only really started selling off a couple years ago. It is kind of what I expect to happen to the Flames if they stick with the re-tool route.

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think Mike Grier is one of the worst GMs in hockey, yet when you finish at the bottom of the standings, it's just so easy to compile high end future assets.

I think we gotta give him a little more time before labelling him as the worst GM in hockey. He hasn't really done anything yet. There's plenty of GMs around the league who have done far worse.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Better prospects and better contract situation. Their definitely off to a better start.

They started earlier

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, but they fell into it backwards and it wasn't planned lol. The Sharks haven't made the playoffs in five years and only really started selling off a couple years ago. It is kind of what I expect to happen to the Flames if they stick with the re-tool route.

As you said -- today's Sharks are where the Flames could be in four years if they're forced into a full rebuild and have to trade Kadri, Coleman and Andersson. Some of the parallels are interesting... if it goes the way of the Sharks, hopefully Huberdeau resurrects his value like Karlsson does with a one off career year that allows the Flames to trade him!

But man, they've had a rough five years. That would be tough.

And it's certainly why the Flames are trying to do the retool "Dallas" model. Sharks are on a 7-10 year rebuild path.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, but they fell into it backwards and it wasn't planned lol. The Sharks haven't made the playoffs in five years and only really started selling off a couple years ago. It is kind of what I expect to happen to the Flames if they stick with the re-tool route.

People have to remember....bottom out re-builds are never planned and teams generally either fall into it accidentally or are forced into it by just being bad.

Chicago didn't plan to bottom out and get Bedard...they had traded multiple first round picks for Seth Jones just 2 years prior to that.

Colorado didn't plan to bottom out to get MacKinnon or Makar.

Edmonton didn't plan to bottom out and get 4 1st overall picks, they were trying to compete for most of those seasons.

Tampa didn't plan to bottom out to get Hedman and Stamkos...they still had most of their cup winning core on those rosters.

Teams never plan to draft top 5, you generally always fall backwards into it.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

and will have got Will Smith and Macklin Celebrini - two potential top end centres.

I’d much, much, much sooner be the Sharks than the Flames.

That's the thing that people hate about full rebuilds that they don't get can turn a team very quickly. Yes, SJ sucks and will suck again next year, but since they were able to clean out some of their high-priced contracts that were blocking them from going full tank, they have added Smith and Celebrini. Their god-awful roster is about to add 2 very high-end prospects and they likely get at least 1 more next year.

In 2-3 years, they have most of the dead cap come off the books and Couture and Vlasic will be up as well. If they get 1 more high-end prospect next draft, they could have 3 stars on ELC and million in cap space. They might be able to ditch Couture a year early before Celebrini and Smith contracts are due. Yeah, I want the Flames to be in this situation.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

People have to remember....bottom out re-builds are never planned and teams generally either fall into it accidentally or are forced into it by just being bad.

Chicago didn't plan to bottom out and get Bedard...they had traded multiple first round picks for Seth Jones just 2 years prior to that.

Colorado didn't plan to bottom out to get MacKinnon or Makar.

Edmonton didn't plan to bottom out and get 4 1st overall picks, they were trying to compete for most of those seasons.

Tampa didn't plan to bottom out to get Hedman and Stamkos...they still had most of their cup winning core on those rosters.

Teams never plan to draft top 5, you generally always fall backwards into it.

Sometimes teams want to though but are blocked until contracts come up.

SJ probably wanted to rebuild earlier but had to wait to get rid of Burns, Karlsson, Meier and Hertl.

Chicago probably did not want to run Toews and Kane out of town and let them leave on their terms.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

People have to remember....bottom out re-builds are never planned and teams generally either fall into it accidentally or are forced into it by just being bad.

Well sure but the Sharks are really funny example to try and use as an example of a team embracing a rebuild and getting two high end centre prospects. Read through the links I posted and you can basically replace Sharks with Flames and read the same stuff as we are discussing now.

If they used Chicago then I'd agree, they went scorched earth to get Bedard.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

SJ probably wanted to rebuild earlier but had to wait to get rid of Burns, Karlsson, Meier and Hertl.

It was not the contracts it was that the owner did not want to and waited until they were so bad they had to

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

As you said -- today's Sharks are where the Flames could be in four years if they're forced into a full rebuild and have to trade Kadri, Coleman and Andersson. Some of the parallels are interesting... if it goes the way of the Sharks, hopefully Huberdeau resurrects his value like Karlsson does with a one off career year that allows the Flames to trade him!

But man, they've had a rough five years. That would be tough.

And it's certainly why the Flames are trying to do the retool "Dallas" model. Sharks are on a 7-10 year rebuild path.

Or they hopefully don't try to re-tool and just embrace the suck. If they trade Markstrom, Andersson, Sharangovich, and Kuzmenko they will be a bottom three team instead of a bottom ten team. Extra credit if they can trade Kadri for some value

[TheIronMaiden]

I heard some rumbling of Tkachuk wanting out of Ottawa on the radio.
( likely BS. but why not have fun with the idea)


At the 2024 Draft

Flames Acquire: Brady Tkachuk 4 Years at $8,205,714

Ottawa Acquire: Jacob Markstrom 2 years @6M
Andrei Kuzmenko 1 year @5.5M %50 retained
Yan Kusnetsov RFA
The Flames 2024 2nd round draft pick

[Toonage]

^ Not even a 1st going back??

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I heard some rumbling of Tkachuk wanting out of Ottawa on the radio.
( likely BS. but why not have fun with the idea)


At the 2024 Draft

Flames Acquire: Brady Tkachuk 4 Years at $8,205,714

Ottawa Acquire: Jacob Markstrom 2 years @6M
Andrei Kuzmenko 1 year @5.5M %50 retained
Yan Kusnetsov RFA
The Flames 2024 2nd round draft pick

That would be beaten pretty handily. He should get a similar aged player back or at least a slightly worse version of the Matthew trade. I also don't thonk it makes any sense for the Flames to acquire him.