2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I’d overpay a bit on a deal to secure three 1st round picks in a row.

You'd essentially have to overpay to get that #10 pick anyway. You're far more likely to get an impact player with that pick vs the Van pick or our second rounder.

And if i can be cheeky, we don't draft well in the second round anyway, might as well toss that one in.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I’d overpay a bit on a deal to secure three 1st round picks in a row.

Just have to hope you don't pull a 2015 Boston and pick 2 duds and 1 average guy with those 3 picks.
That was historically bad in hindsight, considering the 3 players picked immediately afterward.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Just have to hope you don't pull a 2015 Boston and pick 2 duds and 1 average guy with those 3 picks.
That was historically bad in hindsight, considering the 3 players picked immediately afterward.

Easy, just don't draft two guys way above their projected slot and you can't pull a Boston!

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah that boston draft scenario is insane, especially combined with 2014 where they got Pastrnak with a late 1st. Then they completely whiff with three mid 1sts in much deeper draft. Even their 2nd rounders in 2015 didn't amount to star power, although Carlo is a decent 2nd pairing defensive Dman.

Then in the end it doesn't matter because they just churn out 100+ point teams year after year anyways.

[Jiggy]

The Boston picks (2014-15) shows that sometimes you need some luck when it comes to drafting. It's not an exact science.

[dammage79]

Still blows my mind Connor and Barzal were skipped over for Sentshyn and Zboril. NVM Chabot .

I wonder what that universe looks like where the Bruins had those assets instead of what they took. Crazy.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Tonights Memorial Cup action saw the London Knights beating Moose Jaw, 5-4. First star was a fave of mine for the draft in Sam O'Reilly, who I previously ranked late in the first round, with a goal and an assist- but he could've had more. He played a good two-way game with plenty of physicality.

The other star for the Knights was D Sam Dickinson, with a goal and a solid all-around game. He could've been a star last game, too. 2 points in 2 games so far.

I agree with you on Sam, watched him at least 6 times this year and he was prominent every time. Would love this kid on the Flames.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah that boston draft scenario is insane, especially combined with 2014 where they got Pastrnak with a late 1st. Then they completely whiff with three mid 1sts in much deeper draft. Even their 2nd rounders in 2015 didn't amount to star power, although Carlo is a decent 2nd pairing defensive Dman.

Then in the end it doesn't matter because they just churn out 100+ point teams year after year anyways.

It does matter though - the Bruins of the last nine years w/Barzal, Connor and Chabot probably have two extra championships.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Great post Stemit14! And I’ll add, that a bonus of trading Markstrom and Andersson for 10 and 11 is that it also helps ensure the 2025 and 2026 picks are even higher, potentially top 3-5, which increases the likelihood of drafting that #1 centre in the next drafts (I don’t think there is a high likelihood of getting a #1 centre in this draft outside of 1st overall)

Trading good players now not only helps us get more picks in the top 12 this year (potentially) but also gets the flames closer to a better pick next year. Win/win for me other than the potentially terrible Flames team ahead for the next couple of years.

Good point. And, as IronMaiden mentioned, there is a decent chance the flames have at least 1-2 young players/prospects (Coronato/Zary/Wolf/etc.) already in the system that could be impact players in a couple years. Trading Markstrom/Andersson for more picks in this draft gets us to “bottom out” faster (probably in 2025 and 2026).

With luck, the timing of everything works well for the flames to be on the upswing by 2026-2027:

-a few of the young players that are currently in the system hopefully should be in their prime by then (Wolf, Coronato, Zary, Pelletier, Honzek, Morin, Brzustewicz, Klapka, etc.). I would think at least one or two of them could be core players for the team by then (top six forward/top 4 defenceman/#1 goalie). The rest would be depth players that are in their prime years which is ideal for a team on the upswing.
-the 3 players taken with the 9th, 10th and 11th overall picks are hopefully becoming impact players in the league.
-the two first round picks in 2025 and 2026 are hopefully elite level players if they are taken in the top five of those drafts. If they are, they could be impact players in the league within a year of being drafted.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Just have to hope you don't pull a 2015 Boston and pick 2 duds and 1 average guy with those 3 picks.
That was historically bad in hindsight, considering the 3 players picked immediately afterward.

That wasn't just bad in hindsight, though. Zboril was supposed to go around that pick but Debrusk was ranked as a late first rounder, and Senyshyn was supposed to go in the second round.

Barzal, Connor, Konecny were all available and tended to be ranked right around where the Bruins picked. It was Arizona Coyotes level bad, and with the trade Sweeney made (thanks for Dougie!), I felt at the time like the wheels had fallen off the Bruins organization now that he had control of that team.

And outside of drafting McAvoy and Swayman, they really haven't gotten much obvious value out of the draft since then (although there is a little potential)... so maybe the wheels really have fallen off their scouting.

But they seem to be masters at team culture (and some really nice contracts), so nine years after that gong show of a first round, they're still doing it. Kind of shows there are multiple ways to build a strong team.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It does matter though - the Bruins of the last nine years w/Barzal, Connor and Chabot probably have two extra championships.

There is no way to ever verify that one way or the other

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

There is no way to ever verify that one way or the other

Perhaps not but I’d wager they’d at least win 2019 over St Louis.

[stemit14]

There is obviously risk in making the trade I suggested. Boston is a great example. You have to have a solid scouting department. Two out of the three picks Boston made were definite reaches for where they were drafting. I would be upset if the flames made that same mistake here. It would be like getting the 3 picks and taking Jiricek, Greentree and Sennecke with the those picks. It would be very frustrating.

[dammage79]

One thing about Senneke that gives me pause is he has thatangiapane thing where he blows his tires a lot.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If the scouting staff is good, why are they blowing it to not take a player you would take?

That makes little sense to me.

Don't you wonder if they see something you don't if that's the way they went?

Yes, which is why I am very confident they won't go that way.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, which is why I am very confident they won't go that way.

But if they do ... said scouting group that is "too good" will have blown it because you don't like the player.

Right?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

There is no way to ever verify that one way or the other

They’ve had 100 points six of the last seven years.

I think it’s fair to say they cash in the Blues series if they can run an extra All Star centre, a 40-goal winger and Chabot out there instead of Jake DeBrusk in a fringe role + nobody.

After that, sure, it’s impossible to really say.

In any event, whiffing on all three picks is an all-time draft blunder, and it cost them at least one title.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But if they do ... said scouting group that is "too good" will have blown it because you don't like the player.

Right?

Well if everything is black and white in your world ok. Obviously if they take the player he is the best player in their opinion which is all that matters, irrelevant if I like the player or not. Personally, I am not worried about that as there will surely be better players left at 9. Huselius had an underwhelming U18 and was invisible at the World's, the only person who thinks he belongs in the top 10 is Craig Button who doesn't exactly have the best track record for recognizing young talent.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well if everything is black and white in your world ok. Obviously if they take the player he is the best player in their opinion which is all that matters, irrelevant if I like the player or not. Personally, I am not worried about that as there will surely be better players left at 9. Huselius had an underwhelming U18 and was invisible at the World's, the only person who thinks he belongs in the top 10 is Craig Button who doesn't exactly have the best track record for recognizing young talent.

Yeah I'll let it go.

Not sure my world has to be black, white or any shade of grey to point out your comment didn't really add up.

But all good.

Button has done well lately in Arsenal's analysis btw.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well if everything is black and white in your world ok. Obviously if they take the player he is the best player in their opinion which is all that matters, irrelevant if I like the player or not. Personally, I am not worried about that as there will surely be better players left at 9. Huselius had an underwhelming U18 and was invisible at the World's, the only person who thinks he belongs in the top 10 is Craig Button who doesn't exactly have the best track record for recognizing young talent.

Many scouting services/evaluators have Helenius in their top ten.

I also fail to see how making a world cup roster as the youngest player in Finland's history can be seen as a bad thing.

The kid's a very good hockey player, full stop.