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Old 05-27-2024, 06:13 PM   #3681
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The Habs having Iggy Jr on the top of their list has been a consistent rumor since perhaps before the end of the season.

Last time this happened it was Slavkovsky draft.
Last time that happened was just last year. Everyone and their brother had Michkov to Montreal. I don't think Montreal drafts Iginla, if Demidov falls somehow to them he will be the guy. If not I have heard they are very high on Lindstrom and Catton both. I suspect one of those three will be the Habs pick. As for the Sens I have not heard much on that front but what little I have heard seems to lead me to believe they will go defence.
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I'm fairly ambivalent between Iggy, Catton, Lindstrom, and the Ds, but I do admit it would sting a bit to see Iggy goto another Canadian team...

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Old 05-27-2024, 06:16 PM   #3683
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Jason Boukula (spelling?) was just on the fan and said there is no chance Iginla falls past the habs/Sens at 5/6. Interesting that he was so confident in his statement.
Sounds like a guy trying to be bold because it's not like he has anything to lose. Personally I would say there is a very good chance Iginla is still on the board after the Sens pick. The media guys are all over the place but the guys known to be really dialed into the draft have Iginla around our pick.
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THW having Helenius at 22 is laughable.
Thats crazy. I have him as the fifth best forward. If he was our nine pick i wouldnt be dissatisfied.

I see a much better backlund. His iq is at the top if this draft.
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THW having Helenius at 22 is laughable.
Same with two-time passed over Ondrej Becher. That list is crazy.
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Most on this board are sleeping on Parekh, mostly due to what I assume are defensive knocks against his game. But he makes up for that in spades on offence, he looks like a hybrid between Makar and Q.Hughes but yet put up generational numbers in the OHL. Big plus that he’s a RHS none the less.

It’s no secret he’s high on my personal list, but I’ve seen a lot of his games this year and think the defensive issue is a bit overblown yet somehow he looks like an offensive threat every shift.

Flames have never had a PP QB like this should they draft him.
This is increasingly the guy I'm hoping they see slide to them. Defence can be taught, but that kind of offence can't.

I'd be perfectly okay with a Quinn Hughes type player and it seems this is the draft where the defencemen are relatively stronger than the forwards anyway. I like the Iggy story and won't be upset if he's the pick, but I like the idea of a top D man more than a good winger.
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Old 05-27-2024, 10:48 PM   #3687
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Tonights Memorial Cup action saw the London Knights beating Moose Jaw, 5-4. First star was a fave of mine for the draft in Sam O'Reilly, who I previously ranked late in the first round, with a goal and an assist- but he could've had more. He played a good two-way game with plenty of physicality.

The other star for the Knights was D Sam Dickinson, with a goal and a solid all-around game. He could've been a star last game, too. 2 points in 2 games so far.
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Old 05-27-2024, 10:50 PM   #3688
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Please let the order be as follows:

1. Flames name Jarome as an Assistant GM.
2. Flames trade Vancouver’s 1st round pick (26th overall) + Calgary’s 2nd round pick (41st overall) + Markstrom to New Jersey for 10th overall.
3. Flames trade Andersson to Buffalo for 11th overall + a 2nd round pick in 2025.
4. Flames draft the best available center (one of Catton or Lindstrom are hopefully still there) at 9th overall (Conroy announces that pick).
5. Flames draft the best available defenceman (one of Yakemchuk, Parekh or Buium are hopefully still there) at 10th overall (Conroy announced that pick as well).
6. Flames draft Tij at 11th overall (Jarome announces that pick).

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Please let the order be as follows:

1. Flames name Jarome as an Assistant GM.
2. Flames trade Vancouver’s 1st round pick (26th overall) + Calgary’s 2nd round pick (41st overall) + Markstrom to New Jersey for 10th overall.
3. Flames trade Andersson to Buffalo for 11th overall + a 2nd round pick in 2025.
4. Flames draft the best available center (one of Catton or Lindstrom are hopefully still there) at 9th overall (Conroy announces that pick).
5. Flames draft the best available defenceman (one of Yakemchuk, Parekh or Buium are hopefully still there) at 10th overall (Conroy announced that pick as well).
6. Flames draft Tij at 11th overall (Jarome announces that pick).
I think we're overpaying in #2...
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Old 05-27-2024, 11:19 PM   #3690
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I think we're overpaying in #2...
You might be right. I just figure you have to overpay when it’s draft day. Picks are at their highest possible value… especially top 10 picks. New Jersey will be very reluctant to trade that pick so I’m assuming it will cost a lot to get the deal done.
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Please let the order be as follows:

1. Flames name Jarome as an Assistant GM.
2. Flames trade Vancouver’s 1st round pick (26th overall) + Calgary’s 2nd round pick (41st overall) + Markstrom to New Jersey for 10th overall.
3. Flames trade Andersson to Buffalo for 11th overall + a 2nd round pick in 2025.
4. Flames draft the best available center (one of Catton or Lindstrom are hopefully still there) at 9th overall (Conroy announces that pick).
5. Flames draft the best available defenceman (one of Yakemchuk, Parekh or Buium are hopefully still there) at 10th overall (Conroy announced that pick as well).
6. Flames draft Tij at 11th overall (Jarome announces that pick).
Interesting trades for sure, but why are we trying to get multiple picks this draft? Seems like 10-12 players all rated on the same tier in 2024. Why not spread it out over multiple drafts? Flames will spend many years in the wilderness - need blue chip prospects not just good prospects.

I would trade up for Tij Iginla though .
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Flames take Helenius or Buium in this draft. Mark it dude.
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Interesting trades for sure, but why are we trying to get multiple picks this draft? Seems like 10-12 players all rated on the same tier in 2024. Why not spread it out over multiple drafts? Flames will spend many years in the wilderness - need blue chip prospects not just good prospects.

I would trade up for Tij Iginla though .
My thought is an alternative route towards the “Dallas Model.” If it’s true that ownership wants this rebuild done faster than most, you need to get multiple impact players in a single draft the way Dallas did. It’s very hard to do and you have to get lucky with your picks… but the best way to improve the odds of getting multiple impact players from a single draft is to make 3 picks high in the first round (9th, 10th and 11th overall in this case).

A big reason so many rebuilds take so long is because teams average getting a single impact player (at best) from each draft. That player usually comes from top ten picks in drafts after finishing at the bottom of the league year after year. Think of a “scorched earth” rebuild where a team essentially starts with nothing in terms of top players/prospects. If they average developing one impact player (usually from their own first round pick) from each draft, it will take them at least 6-7 years before they have drafted and developed a core that might be ready to compete. That’s assuming a core of 2-3 forwards and 2-3 defencemen.

Alternatively, if the flames could draft 2-3 impact players from a single draft early on, they might be able to speed up this rebuild the way Dallas did. It also helps leaning into acquiring multiple high first round picks in this particular draft because it’s the very beginning of the rebuild so it gives time for these players to develop. With the exception of maybe Dickinson, it’s unlikely any players the flames could draft at 9th, 10th and 11th overall would be in the NHL next year. These players will need time before they are impact players.

Consider this (very optimistic) timeline:

-the Flames draft Catton, Parekh and Iginla in this draft. Each of them take at least 2 years before they are NHL regulars. Hopefully at least 2 of them become impact players by the 2026-2027 season.
-the Flames pick in the top 5 of the 2025 draft and take a projected #1 center or #1 defenceman. More likely that player only takes a year (or possibly less) before becoming an NHL regular. Potentially an impact player in the 2026-2027 season.
-Flames pick in the top 5 of the 2026 draft and, once again, take a potential #1 center or #1 defenceman. Again, that player likely only takes a year to become an NHL regular. Potentially an impact player in the 2027-2028 season.
-Flames essentially have their core of drafted players all becoming impact NHL players at a similar time (2027/2028).

Of course… this is a very rosy plan for a rebuild and it rarely goes so linearly. But still, this plan of making multiple high picks to kick off the rebuild has potential to make it a 3-4 year rebuild rather than a 6-7 year rebuild. Debatable if that’s the best thing to do either way but most of us get the impression that ownership will want this rebuild to be complete for the new arena. I would rather try to speed it up with this route instead of trading picks for 24 year old players from other teams.

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Flames take Helenius or Buium in this draft. Mark it dude.
Buium would be great, I think our scouting staff is too good to blow the #9 pick on Helenius, at least I hope so.
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I think we're overpaying in #2...
I’d overpay a bit on a deal to secure three 1st round picks in a row.
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Buium would be great, I think our scouting staff is too good to blow the #9 pick on Helenius, at least I hope so.
If the scouting staff is good, why are they blowing it to not take a player you would take?

That makes little sense to me.

Don't you wonder if they see something you don't if that's the way they went?
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You can sell me on any of the to 10-12 picks this year with a solid case. Sure, some of them will bust. Happens every single year, and if you can pick the busts right now then you should be working for an NHL team. At this point in time, I can get excited about any pick that the Flames make at 9th, even if it isn't my own top 2-3 preferred prospects at that spot.



I am sure that there will be a bit more consensus with the overall order than there is currently by the time the combine wraps up, but this is still going to be a more unpredictable draft for the first 10 picks than you usually see, so it should be highly entertaining as well.
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Great post Stemit14! And I’ll add, that a bonus of trading Markstrom and Andersson for 10 and 11 is that it also helps ensure the 2025 and 2026 picks are even higher, potentially top 3-5, which increases the likelihood of drafting that #1 centre in the next drafts (I don’t think there is a high likelihood of getting a #1 centre in this draft outside of 1st overall)

Trading good players now not only helps us get more picks in the top 12 this year (potentially) but also gets the flames closer to a better pick next year. Win/win for me other than the potentially terrible Flames team ahead for the next couple of years.
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My thought is an alternative route towards the “Dallas Model.” If it’s true that ownership wants this rebuild done faster than most, you need to get multiple impact players in a single draft the way Dallas did. It’s very hard to do and you have to get lucky with your picks… but the best way to improve the odds of getting multiple impact players from a single draft is to make 3 picks high in the first round (9th, 10th and 11th overall in this case).

A big reason so many rebuilds take so long is because teams average getting a single impact player (at best) from each draft. That player usually comes from top ten picks in drafts after finishing at the bottom of the league year after year. Think of a “scorched earth” rebuild where a team essentially starts with nothing in terms of top players/prospects. If they average developing one impact player (usually from their own first round pick) from each draft, it will take them at least 6-7 years before they have drafted and developed a core that might be ready to compete. That’s assuming a core of 2-3 forwards and 2-3 defencemen.

Alternatively, if the flames could draft 2-3 impact players from a single draft early on, they might be able to speed up this rebuild the way Dallas did. It also helps leaning into acquiring multiple high first round picks in this particular draft because it’s the very beginning of the rebuild so it gives time for these players to develop. With the exception of maybe Dickinson, it’s unlikely any players the flames could draft at 9th, 10th and 11th overall would be in the NHL next year. These players will need time before they are impact players.

Consider this (very optimistic) timeline:

-the Flames draft Catton, Parekh and Iginla in this draft. Each of them take at least 2 years before they are NHL regulars. Hopefully at least 2 of them become impact players by the 2026-2027 season.
-the Flames pick in the top 5 of the 2025 draft and take a projected #1 center or #1 defenceman. More likely that player only takes a year (or possibly less) before becoming an NHL regular. Potentially an impact player in the 2026-2027 season.
-Flames pick in the top 5 of the 2026 draft and, once again, take a potential #1 center or #1 defenceman. Again, that player likely only takes a year to become an NHL regular. Potentially an impact player in the 2027-2028 season.
-Flames essentially have their core of drafted players all becoming impact NHL players at a similar time (2027/2028).

Of course… this is a very rosy plan for a rebuild and it rarely goes so linearly. But still, this plan of making multiple high picks to kick off the rebuild has potential to make it a 3-4 year rebuild rather than a 6-7 year rebuild. Debatable if that’s the best thing to do either way but most of us get the impression that ownership will want this rebuild to be complete for the new arena. I would rather try to speed it up with this route instead of trading picks for 24 year old players from other teams.


I agree, though there is a possibility that he have already drafted one of said impact players. Wolf for example, or limpinski, Coronato.

The trouble will a full scorched earth is that there is a temptation to force young players into the lineup because there are no better options.

I'm not saying that I know the way forward, or that anyone does, but the advantage to the" Dallas Model" is that they have established players they could lean on in transition years to give Young Players the best shot at finding their role.
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If the scouting staff is good, why are they blowing it to not take a player you would take?

That makes little sense to me.

Don't you wonder if they see something you don't if that's the way they went?
Yes, but the odds of them actually going that way are probably very low. So probably a complete non issue.
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