2024 NHL Draft Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Does Tij take career long discounts here? there is probably no other player on earth that would take a discount to be in Calgary.

His dad never did...so I doubt he would.

Sons of former NHLers tend to be the most shrewd negotiators when it comes to contracts TBH.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Does Tij take career long discounts here? there is probably no other player on earth that would take a discount to be in Calgary.

It's not like he was raised in Calgary, he was quite young when Iggy left Calgary.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It's not like he was raised in Calgary, he was quite young when Iggy left Calgary.

Exactly. Tij was born August 2006 and Iggy was traded March 2013.

Tij was 6 when he left here

Hopefully he really liked his grade 1 teacher

[bdubbs]

To be honest? I'm tired of the whole 'hometown discount' angle we as Flames fans seem so keen on getting from our star players. We should pay our superstars what they deserve, and use the remainder to fill out the roster. No roster is perfect but we have to avoid this whole Treliving-era idea of nickle and diming our stars until they want to leave.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I say really focus on bloodlines and name recognition and look at a few more players (not necessarily draft but perhaps free agent signings)

Jordan Tonelli - hard nosed checking winger who learned from one of the best https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=217110

Ryan St Louis https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=228230 - let’s get this St Louis right

Sutter Muzzatti https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=228892 - have to trade with Nashville but get a Muzzatti that performs for the Flames

Ethan Manderville https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=194525 - get er done. Dad was a key piece of a classic Flames trade.

Jackson Nieuwendyk https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=223445 - get both kids from a blockbuster Flames deal.

Tristan Amonte https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...php?pid=214021 - as evidenced by his stats, learned how to hit the crossbar like a pro from his old man.

Names, memories and most importantly bloodlines you can count on.

This was an interesting post that deserves to be acknowledged.
Ryan St Louis and Sutter Muzzatti are kind of interesting.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I dont really see it like that.

For years as a fan and as a reader i have heard constantly that you only get top end defence and centers at the top of the draft. I agree with few exceptions. We have the opportunity to get one of those elusive pieces so we focus on the least important most tradable positions with tij?

I think the position thing actually hurts Iginla’s ranking. He would probably be ranked higher as a centre (which he started out playing) if everything else was equal. There are probably some C and D on that list that are a little inflated due to position, and some C that will have to switch to the wing to stick in the NHL.

William Nylander, Brady Tkachuk, Matthew Tkachuk. 3 wingers. Three sons of well-known NHLers. 3 guys taken after at least one centre or defenceman (or both!) they turned out significantly better than.

That’s why you go BPA regardless of position.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

To be honest? I'm tired of the whole 'hometown discount' angle we as Flames fans seem so keen on getting from our star players. We should pay our superstars what they deserve, and use the remainder to fill out the roster. No roster is perfect but we have to avoid this whole Treliving-era idea of nickle and diming our stars until they want to leave.

Yeah, people complained about possibly overpaying Gaudreau and Tkachuk and now we have nothing to show for it.

Lock up the young stars and pay them whatever it takes to do it.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the position thing actually hurts Iginla’s ranking. He would probably be ranked higher as a centre (which he started out playing) if everything else was equal. There are probably some C and D on that list that are a little inflated due to position, and some C that will have to switch to the wing to stick in the NHL.

William Nylander, Brady Tkachuk, Matthew Tkachuk. 3 wingers. Three sons of well-known NHLers. 3 guys taken after at least one centre or defenceman (or both!) they turned out significantly better than.

That’s why you go BPA regardless of position.

That is a whole lot of expectations no?
While i agree if he was a center he would be a consensus top ten pick. However i dont see him as best player where we pick no matter how the draft actually goes.

From past drafts we know big centers and defence tend to go higher than expected.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I am ok taking Iginla at 9 because I am not convinced anyone after Celebrini will be a 1C in this draft. If one of the top ranked D fall to Flames at 9 that would be a wise pick as well.

If health ends up not being an issue Lindstrom 100% projects as #1C.

[dammage79]

If Lindstrom stayed healthy all year there'd be an argument if he or Demidov was the 2nd best prospect. The size and speed are waaay too tantalizing. PWF style 6'3" - 6'5" speedy center? Yeah, that's unicorn stuff.

[Cortez]

Is there ever a world where Lindstrom is available at 9?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

To be honest? I'm tired of the whole 'hometown discount' angle we as Flames fans seem so keen on getting from our star players. We should pay our superstars what they deserve, and use the remainder to fill out the roster. No roster is perfect but we have to avoid this whole Treliving-era idea of nickle and diming our stars until they want to leave.

Preach.

It was one thing when we were icing $20M rosters against $90M teams in Colorado, Detroit etc and funding the payroll with scratch tickets.

This has been a cap team every year there’s been a cap - if guys are taking a discount, it’s because we have four or five studs that all need deals and we can’t pay them all $12M.

[Ped]

Yeah teams like to get it backwards sometimes - nickel and dime the stars and then overpay the guys filling in around the edges. Those are the guys you should be hunting for bargains for.

[cral12]

Originally Posted by cral12

You might want to sit down for this update:

18 more Sandman profiles added.

Upside Hockey up to 201 profiles total! Unreal!
(I just gotta add their respective link to the rankings spreadsheet shortly as applicable)

Quick link reminders:
Rankings Mega Spreadsheet page:
https://bit.ly/upside2024nhldraft
(The column with "UH" is linked to all the Sandman profiles of respective profile)

Prospect profiles specific page - alphabetical TOC on the top:
https://bit.ly/2024nhldraftprofiles

Given many of the updated profiles added were Sandman's super goalie updates, here's a silly tweet featuring another masked man - Deadpool, my cheesy marketing of Upside:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1792666942169620709

5 more profiles added with the latest update. 206 profiles - unbelievable, Sandman!

[jmerkel3d]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Is there ever a world where Lindstrom is available at 9?

Honestly doubt it.
If he's there, you take him. The only thing is there's so much pressure on management to nail this pick, would any question marks on a player - like injuries - discourage taking someone like him?

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[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Cortez

Is there ever a world where Lindstrom is available at 9?

Some weird alternate universe maybe, same one where the flames get a first overall lol. Only way i can see it happening is if pretty much all the top defencemen go pretty much in a row.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by jmerkel3d

Honestly doubt it.
If he's there, you take him. The only thing is there's so much pressure on management to nail this pick, would any question marks on a player - like injuries - discourage taking someone like him?

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At 9th OA? Nope, the risk is worth the reward. Even if it takes a longer development curve. Juice is totally worth the squeeze.

Vontae Mack, no matter what.

[jmerkel3d]

Originally Posted by dammage79

At 9th OA? Nope, the risk is worth the reward. Even if it takes a longer development curve. Juice is totally worth the squeeze.



Vontae Mack, no matter what.

Oh yeah I would take him for sure.

Honestly, as much as some people think Tij is a lock pick if he's there at 9 (I like Tij, but I'm not rendering an opinion on him in this post), but I think if Catton or a top D is available I do think this org goes with whoever they think BPA is because of the pressure to get this pick right.

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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fan69

I dont really see it like that.

For years as a fan and as a reader i have heard constantly that you only get top end defence and centers at the top of the draft. I agree with few exceptions. We have the opportunity to get one of those elusive pieces so we focus on the least important most tradable positions with tij?

I will try to avoid being antagonistic here.

It isn’t that you ONLY get top centres and defensemen at the top of the draft - it’s that the top of the draft is the easiest place to find them.

But you can’t fixate on position with 18 year olds. The Habs did that with Kotkaniemi and missed out on Quinn Hughes and Brady Tkachuk as a result.

In the Flames’ case, they’re not picking at the top of the draft - they’re picking 9th.

There’s no reason to believe this team will draft any lower over the next three years - they have 11 UFAs over the next two seasons (12 if you include Markstrom, who will be dealt this summer, hopefully before the draft).

If they think Tij is gonna be even 80% of his dad, take him - if this draft has eight other players that are 80% of Jarome Iginla, it’s the draft of the decade.

[cral12]

Ranking top 14
(Based on Bingo's compilation with driect links to Sandman's Upside profile)

1 M Celebrini C https://bit.ly/macklincelebrini
2 Ivan Demidov RW https://bit.ly/ivandemidov
3 A Levshunov D https://bit.ly/artyomlevshunov
4 Sam Dickinson D https://bit.ly/sam_dickinson
5 Berkly Catton C https://bit.ly/berklycatton
6 C Lindstrom C https://bit.ly/caydenlindstrom
7 Zeev Buium D https://bit.ly/zeevbuium
8 Anton Silayev D https://bit.ly/AntonSilayev
9 Zayne Parekh D https://bit.ly/zayparekh
10 Konsta Helenius C https://bit.ly/konstahelenius
11 Cole Eiserman LW https://bit.ly/ColeEiserman
12 Tij Iginla F https://bit.ly/tijiginla
13 C Yakemchuk D https://bit.ly/CarterYakemchuk
14 Liam Greentree RW https://bit.ly/LiamGreentree

Bingo's projected 28th pick (based on consolidated rankings)
Flames 26 Terik Parascak RW https://bit.ly/TerikParascak
Flames 27 Aron Kiviharju D https://bit.ly/AronKiviharju
Flames 28 Henry Mews D https://bit.ly/HenryMews
Flames 29 E.J. Emery D https://bit.ly/EJEmery
Flames 30 Jett Luchanko C https://bit.ly/JettLuchanko

Bonus:
15 BrandseggNygard RW https://bit.ly/MichaelBrandseggNygard