2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The Toronto part of your name is showing. Marner isn’t worth anywhere near that.

Which end of it?

To Calgary, or to Utah?

Also, check the stat line. Well over point per game production outside his first two in the league. Leaf fan or not, that’s elite production. Also just turned 27. Plenty of high value years left.

[Heavy Jack]

Huby - Kadri - Marner could be a killer first line… but I want the flames to commit to the rebuild path, landing a Marner could make us competitive quicker or it could also just prolong the mediocrity.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Should have qualified that by saying Marner would resign with Utah (no idea if he actually would).

I don’t think Utah would move the 6th for any of Calgary’s players or collection of players outside of something absurd.

I think Hayton is pretty close to the type of young C Conroy has alluded to targeting. He’s also got a 19 goal season under his belt as a 22 year old (I believe). Could be an interesting player.

If I was Utah I would prefer a 7 million dollar a year Rasmus signed longterm over a 12-13 million dollar a year Marner. Markstrom makes them competitive for the playoffs in year one. And they have a number of forwards already that look like they could be top six for a longtime. Their need is much greater on the backend (especially if they want to be competitive now) than it is up front.

They have Keller who is a PPG guy, they have Schmaltz who is a solid 60 point guy. Cooley likely takes another step next year and within a couple years is a PPG guy. guenther scored at a 33 goal, 64 point pace this year. Macelli looks like he could be a 60 point guy. Don’t see the need in the top six. I do see the need on the backend and in goal.

[Roof-Daddy]

Why even discuss Marner? He has a NMC, do we really think he'd ever waive to come to the Flames?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Which end of it?

To Calgary, or to Utah?

Also, check the stat line. Well over point per game production outside his first two in the league. Leaf fan or not, that’s elite production. Also just turned 27. Plenty of high value years left.

Either. Marner is good but UFAs with one year left on their contracts do not return that kind of value.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Why even discuss Marner? He has a NMC, do we really think he'd ever waive to come to the Flames?

No chance, nor would the Flames be interested

i.e. they have started a re-tool.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If I was Utah I would prefer a 7 million dollar a year Rasmus signed longterm over a 12-13 million dollar a year Marner. Markstrom makes them competitive for the playoffs in year one. And they have a number of forwards already that look like they could be top six for a longtime. Their need is much greater on the backend (especially if they want to be competitive now) than it is up front.

They have Keller who is a PPG guy, they have Schmaltz who is a solid 60 point guy. Cooley likely takes another step next year and within a couple years is a PPG guy. guenther scored at a 33 goal, 64 point pace this year. Macelli looks like he could be a 60 point guy. Don’t see the need in the top six. I do see the need on the backend and in goal.

Good points.

I don’t think Utah parts with 6OA for that package though. Also, Ingram seemed to do alright for them this year. Not too sure the need for Markstrom is there, that’s not to say Markstrom wouldn’t be an upgrade, he would but I think Markstrom would want to go to a contender. I’d be surprised if he were to accept a trade to Utah.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Either. Marner is good but UFAs with one year left on their contracts do not return that kind of value.

Agreed. I’m basing this off Marner extending.

[flambers]

I would think a more likely destination for Markstrom might be the Kings,

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Why even discuss Marner? He has a NMC, do we really think he'd ever waive to come to the Flames?

I don’t think anyone is saying the Flsmes would keep Marner.

What I’m interested in is seeing if there’s a way for the Flames to get another top 10 pick. I think there’s a good chance Marner is moved. Teams don’t give up top 10 picks anymore, so if it were to happen, I think you need a young top of the lineup or elite at their position player.

Utah might have a greater need on D but I don’t think the Flames have that quality of player to pry 6OA away from Utah. Also, Utah could make other moves to shore up their D and I’d bet, they will regardless.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Agreed. I’m basing this off Marner extending.

An extension doesn’t increase his value 5 fold. Coming with an extension gets a little bump in value especially since Marner likely has a small list of teams he will extend with. It will go down like H. Lindholm, Stone, and Hanifin if he goes for futures. The Leafs best hope is to find a hockey trade with a team that also disappoints and shore up their D or get Tavares to waive.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

An extension doesn’t increase his value 5 fold. Coming with an extension gets a little bump in value especially since Marner likely has a small list of teams he will extend with. It will go down like H. Lindholm, Stone, and Hanifin if he goes for futures. The Leafs best hope is to find a hockey trade with a team that also disappoints and get shore up their D or get Tavares to waive.

5 fold? You’re laying it on a little thick.

Mariner’s a RHS, plays both special teams, scores 90-100 and in his prime. If he is moved this offseason, he’s likely going to be one of the best players to do so.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Good points.

I don’t think Utah parts with 6OA for that package though. Also, Ingram seemed to do alright for them this year. Not too sure the need for Markstrom is there, that’s not to say Markstrom wouldn’t be an upgrade, he would but I think Markstrom would want to go to a contender. I’d be surprised if he were to accept a trade to Utah.

That may be true, my point was just that I don’t think that Utah would have any interest in Marner. A Coleman, Andersson, Van 1st package would be more appealing to them I would think. They could use a guy like Coleman as well, a proven winner who plays a 200 foot game to teach their young players.

I just think the new owner will want to be a playoff team in year one. And they definitely have the draft capital (either already drafted guys or draft picks) to make some serious moves. I am not sure the Flames are in full rebuild mode but if they are even thinking about it they should look at Utah. The Flames have about 4-5 assets I could see Utah being seriously interested in.

[Enoch Root]

Marner is not worth Andersson + Markstrom + 1st

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Marner is not worth Andersson + Markstrom + 1st

Exactly this. I am not sure what the one year rental market is for Marner. And I am not sure how many teams would be willing to sign him for 12-13 million a year (which is what he would ask for). Layer in his ability to say “I am willing to go to this team or these two teams” and I really question what the return would be. Most teams are not looking for a 12-13 million dollar winger, especially when they can sign a better one (potentially) in Reinhart for likely less and not give up any assets.

[bluejays]

Marner would look good on a team like Florida simply because they already have the grit on the team. Lundell isn’t a gritty enough guy to move the needle for the Leafs, but I do wonder if Ekblad could be had somehow. Not sure Florida is deep enough to give him up but he’d be a nice addition back there to stay home.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

5 fold? You’re laying it on a little thick.

Mariner’s a RHS, plays both special teams, scores 90-100 and in his prime. If he is moved this offseason, he’s likely going to be one of the best players to do so.

From a purely futures standpoint I don’t think a five fold increase is that far off. If he goes for futures it will be to a contender and that usually means a late 1st and some filler. Turning him into the 6th overall through whatever means is an unrealistic jump in value and he definitely isn’t worth the equivalent of three firsts from the Flames. UFAs never return that much value.
They will either keep him or find a hockey trade with a team he will waive for.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Exactly this. I am not sure what the one year rental market is for Marner. And I am not sure how many teams would be willing to sign him for 12-13 million a year (which is what he would ask for). Layer in his ability to say “I am willing to go to this team or these two teams” and I really question what the return would be. Most teams are not looking for a 12-13 million dollar winger, especially when they can sign a better one (potentially) in Reinhart for likely less and not give up any assets.

Again, my thought is Marner would be willing to extend.

12-13M? Maybe. Seems like the same people who are saying Marner isn’t worth a top pairing D, 34 year old G, and the 28-32 pick in a not so deep draft are the ones also saying Marner’s going to be among the highest paid wingers in the league. These points seem to be at odds with one another.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

From a purely futures standpoint I don’t think a five fold increase is that far off. If he goes for futures it will be to a contender and that usually means a late 1st and some filler. Turning him into the 6th overall through whatever means is an unrealistic jump in value and he definitely isn’t worth the equivalent of three firsts from the Flames. UFAs never return that much value.
They will either keep him or find a hockey trade with a team he will waive for.

I don’t think a contender is the likely landing spot for Marner. Are there any who have the cap space or assets to add a player like Marner without sending a comparable player back?

I think he’s more likely to land on a team that’s making a push to become a playoff team, or a contender. But not a team that already is.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think Marner is not worth Andersson + Markstrom + 1st

Fixed.