2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Again, Conroy won't be dabbling much if at all in the FA market. I truly believe he's using the open spots for kids to take jobs.

That being said, if he signed only one player in the FA market, I hope it's Monny.

I think he overpays some vets in short term deals to try and flip later

[1_Flames_Fan]

What's the deal with Sharongovich being non-committal to an extension? Contract posturing? Doesn't like direction of team? Something else? I didn't see the press conference but read a couple articles about it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

What's the deal with Sharongovich being non-committal to an extension? Contract posturing? Doesn't like direction of team? Something else? I didn't see the press conference but read a couple articles about it.

His agent purposely did a two year deal to time cap and if he has another good year then he’ll be lined up perfectly for a big raise. I kind of doubt the Flames will be in a spot to commit term to him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

What's the deal with Sharongovich being non-committal to an extension? Contract posturing? Doesn't like direction of team? Something else? I didn't see the press conference but read a couple articles about it.

I hadn’t heard that, but went and found an article.

I wish he had said something like “we’ll see if we can agree to an extension”, which would have at least indicated he was open to staying.

On thing I think is certain, Calgary will move him if he doesn’t sign an extension by the trade deadline.

I’m not even certain how much I would pay him. Let’s assume he continues on a 30-30-60 pace next season. What kind of contract would you offer him? He’s certainly at the right age for a long term contract.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Holy hell that PLD buy out cost is ludicrous. How was that even a conversation???.

All you hear about Huberdeau is “ignore the salary” or “look past his cap hit”. It literally prefaces any positive thing said about the guy.


Why is it ok to ignore a 10.5 million for 7 years but unfathomable to trade it for a 14 year buyout that’s much cheaper?

Lesser of two evils.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah no point in debating it.

To answer your question though ... it can and will improve ... it does directionally act as the best measure of goaltending that is publically available.

Agreed. But still bad, and still worse than the eye test. And, like all stats, results in some people thinking it's definitive.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

What's the deal with Sharongovich being non-committal to an extension? Contract posturing? Doesn't like direction of team? Something else? I didn't see the press conference but read a couple articles about it.

From what I understand it was simply a translation issue. I have heard Sharangovich is very thankful for the opportunity the Flames have given him and is very open to an extension here.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

What's the deal with Sharongovich being non-committal to an extension? Contract posturing? Doesn't like direction of team? Something else? I didn't see the press conference but read a couple articles about it.

I found it hard to read between the lines with him. His English is good enough that he is definitely fluent, but doesn't seem to have a massive catalogue of words, so the answers are pretty basic. If he answered the questions in Belarussian, it would probably be more helpful to understanding his thoughts IMO.

[stemit14]

With the leafs eliminated… what kind of moves can we expect from Treliving? The obvious one of the “big four” to be traded is Marner and he has 1 year left at a $10.9 million cap hit. They are in desperate need of a puck moving defenseman. Most would say they also need goaltending but I think they have faith in Woll… they might get a veteran goalie to back him up.

Here are some crazy ones to consider:

FIRST TRADE:

To Pittsburgh:
Marner
Reeves

To Toronto:
Karlsson
Carolina’s 2024 first round pick (from Guentzal trade)

The cap hits are pretty close but Karlsson’s contract has 3 years left on it. Plus he’s older so I gave the leafs the first round pick in the trade. Leafs get a defenceman to quarterback their powerplay and Dubas gets one of his favourite former leafs as a winger to help Crosby.

SECOND TRADE:

To Calgary:
Carolina’s 2024 1st round pick
Toronto’s 2026 2nd round pick

To Toronto:
Markstrom (15% retained)

Toronto gets an experienced veteran goalie to form a tandem with Woll. Calgary gets more picks for their rebuild including a first round pick that could be packaged with other picks to move up in the draft.

[stemit14]

And to make it even crazier:

Calgary wins the draft lottery.

THIRD TRADE:

To Ottawa:
Carolina’s 2024 1st round pick (30th overall)
Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick (29th overall)
Andersson

To Calgary:
Pinto
Ottawa’s 2024 1st round pick (8th overall)

Calgary gets a young center that Ottawa has struggled this sign an extension with. Calgary gets to pick both Iginla and Celebrini in a single draft. Ottawa gets a right-hand defenseman that they desperately need and still get to pick twice in the first round (though they are both late first round picks).

Calgary’s defence is further decimated so they sign someone like Matt Dumba on a 1 year contract that they could potentially trade at the deadline. Dumba gets top 4 minutes in Calgary to try to turn this season into a longer contract next year either with the flames or another team.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

What's the deal with Sharongovich being non-committal to an extension? Contract posturing? Doesn't like direction of team? Something else? I didn't see the press conference but read a couple articles about it.

Originally Posted by Bonded

His agent purposely did a two year deal to time cap and if he has another good year then he’ll be lined up perfectly for a big raise. I kind of doubt the Flames will be in a spot to commit term to him.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

From what I understand it was simply a translation issue. I have heard Sharangovich is very thankful for the opportunity the Flames have given him and is very open to an extension here.

That speculation comes from the season end interview. The Flames didn't post it on their YouTube, but the fan did here @ 8:50.

If you can sign another contract here this summer? Are you open to staying in CGY longer term?
- I think it's a hard question... Uhh ... We'll see.

Pat procceeds to speculate that it was a language issue and that he was caught off guard by the question, and that he was sitting at the podium by himself. I recommend giving the episode a listen.

I think I will be stating the obvious here, but here goes:
Had he said it in Russian here's what it would've meant. "It's a hard question" is often used to gain a second in a conversation and to indicate it depends on a lot of factors, and there isn't a quick response.

"We'll see" is often used with kids, or others to avoid a topic especially when someone is prying.

So no most likely he doesn't want out, in fact he most likely haven't given it much thought since he still has a year left on his contract. Everything always depends on term and money, and his own production.

As for his agent going for "only" 2 years. Conroy mentioned when it when he signed Yegor. Both the team and the agent were interested in a shorter term because they wanted to see the fit and what type of production they could expect from Sharangovich going forward.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Agreed. But still bad, and still worse than the eye test. And, like all stats, results in some people thinking it's definitive.

I'd never say a counting stat with a basis in logic is better than the eye test giving the host of subjectivity and biases that come with a person's view.

Stats could and will improve though for sure.

But we have a host of people on this site that can't stand Markstrom and whose eye test is literally worthless to me.

But every goal can't be someone else's fault either.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Agreed. But still bad, and still worse than the eye test. And, like all stats, results in some people thinking it's definitive.

It's not better than the eye test unless the eyes judging it are qualified to judge a goalies performance. It may not be scientific over a few games but over a larger sample size it is a very good tool. People can use the eye test but it has to be backed up with some measurable stats.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

And to make it even crazier:

Calgary wins the draft lottery.

THIRD TRADE:

To Ottawa:
Carolina’s 2024 1st round pick (30th overall)
Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick (29th overall)
Andersson

To Calgary:
Pinto
Ottawa’s 2024 1st round pick (8th overall)

Calgary gets a young center that Ottawa has struggled this sign an extension with. Calgary gets to pick both Iginla and Celebrini in a single draft. Ottawa gets a right-hand defenseman that they desperately need and still get to pick twice in the first round (though they are both late first round picks).

Calgary’s defence is further decimated so they sign someone like Matt Dumba on a 1 year contract that they could potentially trade at the deadline. Dumba gets top 4 minutes in Calgary to try to turn this season into a longer contract next year either with the flames or another team.

How about

To Toronto:
Markstrom, Anderson, Van 1st

To Calgary:
Marner

To Utah:
Marner

To Calgary:
6 OA & Barrett Hayton


….just spitballing for discussion sake.

I doubt the Flames have much interest in trading Anderson, although wouldn’t dismiss the idea entirely. I would also love to see the Flames find a way to get another top 10 pick. Lastly, Conroy’s spoken about targeting young players who might be buried. Not that Hayton is buried, but I do wonder if Cooley might make moving him more palatable. I think Eric D has previously touched on the Coyotes considering him as a movable piece previously.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

It's not better than the eye test unless the eyes judging it are qualified to judge a goalies performance. It may not be scientific over a few games but over a larger sample size it is a very good tool. People can use the eye test but it has to be backed up with some measurable stats.

Nope.

Improving sv% by grouping ####s in to buckets of shot location and type arguably helps from a probability standpoint

There is nothing measured to reflect where a shot taken is aimed, and dealing with that is pretty much more important than anything

The end

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Nope.

Improving sv% by grouping ####s in to buckets of shot location and type arguably helps from a probability standpoint

There is nothing measured to reflect where a shot taken is aimed, and dealing with that is pretty much more important than anything

The end

The end?

Like I'm right so don't bother?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How about

To Toronto:
Markstrom, Anderson, Van 1st

To Calgary:
Marner

To Utah:
Marner

To Calgary:
6 OA & Barrett Hayton


….just spitballing for discussion sake.

I doubt the Flames have much interest in trading Anderson, although wouldn’t dismiss the idea entirely. I would also love to see the Flames find a way to get another top 10 pick. Lastly, Conroy’s spoken about targeting young players who might be buried. Not that Hayton is buried, but I do wonder if Cooley might make moving him more palatable. I think Eric D has previously touched on the Coyotes considering him as a movable piece previously.

One year of Marner is worth two years of Andersson, two years of Markstrom and a 1st and the Leafs save money on the deal? That would be a hell of a trade. That would be a better return than the Tkachuk trade (considering how much more money Marner makes this year than Tkachuk did last year) and Utah would have no guarantee to sign him. It sure seems like the Leafs make out like bandits in that deal.

If Utah is moving the 6th overall pick I am sure there are better options than Marner. Hell given their backend it would make more sense for them to just cut Toronto out of that deal and trade Hayton and the 6th to Calgary for the Calgary players. Utah’s backend sucks, they could team Markstrom and Ingram together and get a late round pick out of it.

Hayton is also 24 and has done nothing in the NHL despite being given constant opportunities. Not sure how many guys pop that late into their NHL career and become top players. Don’t see much value in him, he seems like yet another example of a team taking a center too high when there were better dmen available at that point in the draft.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Nope.

Improving sv% by grouping ####s in to buckets of shot location and type arguably helps from a probability standpoint

There is nothing measured to reflect where a shot taken is aimed, and dealing with that is pretty much more important than anything

The end

Yeah sorry it's not that simple. You're not an expert on this as much as you like to pretend you are.

Same thing with Hanifin in the dallas series. He's been one of the worst d men for Vagas but because he scored a game winner everyone assumes he is playing well. Statistically he's been terrible and it matches my eye test.

If my eye tests tells me someone is playing bad and I look at the underlying stats and he's playing great then I can change my opinion. When someone you think is playing well and all underlying stats point to the opposite then maybe you can re consider.

Expected goals over the long haul is a great tool. Not every shot will have mathews shooting and not every shot will be backlund. It averages out and over a larger sample size it is a great tool.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How about

To Toronto:
Markstrom, Anderson, Van 1st

To Calgary:
Marner

To Utah:
Marner

To Calgary:
6 OA & Barrett Hayton

….just spitballing for discussion sake.

The Toronto part of your name is showing. Marner isn’t worth anywhere near that.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

One year of Marner is worth two years of Andersson, two years of Markstrom and a 1st and the Leafs save money on the deal? That would be a hell of a trade. That would be a better return than the Tkachuk trade (considering how much more money Marner makes this year than Tkachuk did last year) and Utah would have no guarantee to sign him. It sure seems like the Leafs make out like bandits in that deal.

If Utah is moving the 6th overall pick I am sure there are better options than Marner. Hell given their backend it would make more sense for them to just cut Toronto out of that deal and trade Hayton and the 6th to Calgary for the Calgary players. Utah’s backend sucks, they could team Markstrom and Ingram together and get a late round pick out of it.

Hayton is also 24 and has done nothing in the NHL despite being given constant opportunities. Not sure how many guys pop that late into their NHL career and become top players. Don’t see much value in him, he seems like yet another example of a team taking a center too high when there were better dmen available at that point in the draft.

Should have qualified that by saying Marner would resign with Utah (no idea if he actually would).

I don’t think Utah would move the 6th for any of Calgary’s players or collection of players outside of something absurd.

I think Hayton is pretty close to the type of young C Conroy has alluded to targeting. He’s also got a 19 goal season under his belt as a 22 year old (I believe). Could be an interesting player.