WCQF: Winnipeg Jets [CEN2] vs Colorado Avalanche [CEN3] (Avs win in 5)

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

LOL. Jets wasted a 1st rounder on Monohan. what an overpayment.

[dino7c]

Jets are in a bad spot...they aren't good enough and have no futures

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

LOL. Jets wasted a 1st rounder on Monohan. what an overpayment.

Well, they didn't give up a 1st rounder to get rid of him at least...

[MegaErtz]

Monahan would be a good signing for the Flames, if we can convince him to come back.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

#### you. How about that?

Hmm you seem less optimistic and happy than you were about 3 hours ago when Connor scored a minute in...

Bye bye Jets

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jets are in a bad spot...they aren't good enough and have no futures

Oh well.

[trackercowe]

Flames are fortunate to NOT be in the division with Colorado. Good luck getting by them for the next five years. Comparatively the Pacific division is fairly weak.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hmm you seem less optimistic and happy than you were about 3 hours ago when Connor scored a minute in...

Bye bye Jets

Misery loves company I guess?

[browna]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Canadian teams could easily compete.

They just never have the patience and long term roster building tactics to build a winner. Always rush it and make short term decisions to accelerate their timeline, which limits their top end potential.

The only thing holding Canadian teams back from competing is their own mismanagement.

There's a fine line for pro athletes and their performance affected by the direct and indirectly and the pressure and spotlight they are under in certain places.

Hockey and Canada is one of them. The expectation of fans of the players and organization, and the need for the organization to go over and above to engage fans and link with the team, thus dragging the players into all that, is a lot different for players to have to manage, and it always has been and will be a lot different than the US.

Some players are cut out for that, most aren't. Benn and Seguin, for example, would get ripped for years to the point of wanting out of wherever they would be in Canada, considering how much they make and what they have sometmes produce in a season or playoffs if they played in any Canadian market. In the series vs Calgary, Seguin especially was terrible, Benn not much better, both being paid more than any Flame in the ice.
In Dallas though, outside of the owner calling them out (which died after a few days) they've continued to be hot and cold in Dallas, playing without that pressure or spotlight or sense of obligation that players that play for Canadian NHL teams have to contend with.

[Zary's-Mustache]

I'm very happy for Makar. He is such a class act in this city. I've never met him but a few of my friends know him personally and they say he is the most humble person you'll ever meet.

He doesn't brag and you'd never know he was the best defenceman in the game by talking to him.

I hope georgiev can hold up and they win it all.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jets are in a bad spot...they aren't good enough and have no futures

Phoenix will need a team in a few years.

[trackercowe]

I can't believe fans were leaving at the end of the game with plenty of time left on the clock. Kinda embarrassing considering the Canucks came back down two goals a few nights ago.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Phoenix will need a team in a few years.

I know you're joking but the Jets are the next most likely team to lose their team. When fans didn't show up when they were 1st in the nhl that says a lot about the fan base. Maybe not in 5 years or even 10 years but I have no doubt they'll lose their team again.

[3rd liner]

Damn.. Plenty of reasons to like the Avs. But I like the jets and feel bad though. Both of these teams I’m ok with and would have cheered for them all the way to win the cup. How could you not cheer for Mony, toffoli and Lowry??? Well, Avs or Canucks better get it done in the west.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Canadian teams could easily compete.

They just never have the patience and long term roster building tactics to build a winner. Always rush it and make short term decisions to accelerate their timeline, which limits their top end potential.

The only thing holding Canadian teams back from competing is their own mismanagement.

1000% this. So tired of the pressure cooker argument, or any other excuse that gets thrown out.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by browna

There's a fine line for pro athletes and their performance affected by the direct and indirectly and the pressure and spotlight they are under in certain places.

Hockey and Canada is one of them. The expectation of fans of the players and organization, and the need for the organization to go over and above to engage fans and link with the team, thus dragging the players into all that, is a lot different for players to have to manage, and it always has been and will be a lot different than the US.

Some players are cut out for that, most aren't. Benn and Seguin, for example, would get ripped for years to the point of wanting out of wherever they would be in Canada, considering how much they make and what they have sometmes produce in a season or playoffs if they played in any Canadian market. In the series vs Calgary, Seguin especially was terrible, Benn not much better, both being paid more than any Flame in the ice.
In Dallas though, outside of the owner calling them out (which died after a few days) they've continued to be hot and cold in Dallas, playing without that pressure or spotlight or sense of obligation that players that play for Canadian NHL teams have to contend with.

Feels like an excuse to me TBH.

Is it potentially harder to play in a Canadian market...sure. But outside of Toronto I don't think the media scrutiny is that bad.

Edmonton media are all homers until you're off the team. Flames market and media is pretty calm and casual with no real pressure. Not much pressure in Ottawa: Vancouver maybe a bit more but even then I don't think it's any worse than New York or Boston as major U.S. examples.

Mismanagement is why no Canadian team has won in the salary cap era, nothing else.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Monahan would be a good signing for the Flames, if we can convince him to come back.

I liked Monahan his whole time here (unlike some posters who were pretty unfair to him).

That said, he doesn’t fit into the team’s development trajectory.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

#### you. How about that?

Nerve touched!!!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jets are in a bad spot...they aren't good enough and have no futures

They have attractive assets to trade for futures if they decide to sell.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

#### you. How about that?

Strong rebuttal.