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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If course I truly believe this. You have an East/West roster playing a North/South game. The offensive system is basically the same as Darryl's with less shots. That's why you have no game breakers. That's why Huby looks like the shell of the player he was, when your system is to gain the zone and then throw everything back to the point it neuters a great passers game. The roster on paper to start the season was absolutely good enough to be a playoff team but when you are playing a system tailored to big forwards screening goalies with a small skilled forward group you are not going to succeed. Go back in Huska's coaching history and show me where he has been successful with any offensive group? He is fine as an assistant coach in charge of the defenseman but he has no clue about forwards. His lineup decisions were also not great and he likes the blender way too much. There is nothing in Huska's pro record that indicates he can be a good head coach. He is a fantastic talker though, I will definitely give him that. He could sell ice makers to people in the Arctic.

I would much rather go with what is outright fact at this stage: the Flames have no game breaking skill. If we're talking Huberdeau? He produced points playing on an offensive-oriented 2nd line, and the team that had him traded him away/didn't extend him because they knew he wasn't a piece to win with. He has been here for two seasons now, under two different coaching staffs and has been nothing short of a complete disaster.

There's no weird set of circumstances that turn this junkheap of a roster into a top tier team.

Huska is a vanilla coach, and I don't think we can definitively say he's a good, bad, or mediocre head coach at the NHL level. He's had one season with a terrible roster.

I can't fathom what makes a Flames fan defend this roster at this stage. It's horrible, and posted back to back bad seasons.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This retool is a 3 year deal.

This year and next, it's all about drafting and developing what's already here and little to no UFA signing save for short term depth.

Year three is when I think Conny goes out and makes those UFA addition splashes.

The only way this retool is three years is if they hit on a #1C and a #1D over the next two drafts.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am not arguing with you, you are not even supposed to be back on here Spurs.

Not a chance he's moon/spurs. That guy is the easiest returnee in the world to spot. He's simple, negative and posts in the exact same style at all times, with zero ability to change it to throw people off.

His style is to wait a year or so and then go through the hoops to sign up again.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's not a rebuild though. And I don't think Conny sold a long term retool. Especially as his comments yesterday said as much.

Is 3 years crazy to be competitive? I don't think so. A lot of things have to go right I'll admit but if Conny sticks to his guns I think he can have the rolling into wildcard spots by the time the new rink is online.

Just because they say it’s a retool doesn’t make it so .

The flames don’t have the existing talent to do a retool. You need a couple at least of younger elite core players to build upon.

The longer they play it as a retool, the longer the rebuild will take.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If course I truly believe this. You have an East/West roster playing a North/South game. The offensive system is basically the same as Darryl's with less shots. That's why you have no game breakers. That's why Huby looks like the shell of the player he was, when your system is to gain the zone and then throw everything back to the point it neuters a great passers game. The roster on paper to start the season was absolutely good enough to be a playoff team but when you are playing a system tailored to big forwards screening goalies with a small skilled forward group you are not going to succeed. Go back in Huska's coaching history and show me where he has been successful with any offensive group? He is fine as an assistant coach in charge of the defenseman but he has no clue about forwards. His lineup decisions were also not great and he likes the blender way too much. There is nothing in Huska's pro record that indicates he can be a good head coach. He is a fantastic talker though, I will definitely give him that. He could sell ice makers to people in the Arctic.

We have no gamebreakers because we have no elite talent at any position on forward or defense. Sure, Huberdeau was great at one point. He is a shell of himself now.

I am not really sure what you mean about an east/west roster, because outside of Huberdeau and Zary and Sharo and Kuznetsov, this is about as north and south a team as it gets.

And none of those guys i mentioned are 1st liners. They are all 2nd to 3rd liners on a good team.

I know you have some inside connections on the team, and if this is what any of them truly believe then we are doomed. We were a bad team and after the trades we are a really bad team outside of a few players.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I know you have some inside connections on the team, and if this is what any of them truly believe then we are doomed. We were a bad team and after the trades we are a really bad team outside of a few players.

I think we have a lot of good players throughout the line-up, but yeah, no real elite players and that is an issue. The current NHL has become a league where successful teams have at least one elite centerpiece, but usually a couple. Having a team deep with "good" players doesn't do it like it used to.

I am pretty sure Conroy knows this and will be working on that over the next few seasons, through whatever means possible. It could be a while though, because players like that don't grow on trees. Huberdeau was supposed to be that guy, but it backfired in a major way.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think we have a lot of good players throughout the line-up, but yeah, no real elite players and that is an issue. The current NHL has become a league where successful teams have at least one elite centerpiece, but usually a couple. Having a team deep with "good" players doesn't do it like it used to.

I am pretty sure Conroy knows this and will be working on that over the next few seasons, through whatever means possible. It could be a while though, because players like that don't grow on trees. Huberdeau was supposed to be that guy, but it backfired in a major way.

The problem with Huberdeau is even if he was elite, he is a winger.

The 2 most important things to win a cup are having an elite center and having an elite defenseman. Having a great goalie also helps, because you certainly can't win one with a bad goalie.

I don't think a team has won a cup in the last 15 years without those 2 things. And the only way to get those players is to draft them or to be Vegas.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The draft is Conroys favorite part of his job. I love it.

Cool, let’s just hope they know how to use the phone this year!

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1781810186690363645

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

There is no way you truly believe this?

We had Vezina caliber goaltending until the deadline, and were still out of a playoff spot. The talent was not there, we were about as below average as a team could possibly be.

Where is the talent? We don't have a single player who would be on the first forward line on a good NHL team.

Vezina level goaltending?

Markstrom this season:

21st in games played
20th in games started
21st in wins
19th in saves
19th in goals against
18th in time on ice
Only 2 shut outs all season
14th in GAA from goalies who started at least forty games
19th in SV% from goalies who started at least forty games

Below average in every category.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Name me another team that turned over eight players from its starting roster this season, including three of the starting six on defence.

Pointless really, this is the team. To suggest that Huska can only be assessed on games with Zary and Pospisil in the lineup seems silly though, wouldn't you agree?

I have no issue with the coaching as I don't think this is a particularly good roster even before the trade deadline. But to carve out a 52 game stretch as evidence that Huska did a good job of coaching doesn't hold water for me.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Pointless really, this is the team. To suggest that Huska can only be assessed on games with Zary and Pospisil in the lineup seems silly though, wouldn't you agree?

To suggest that he's at fault because the GM kept plucking good players off the roster and trading them for futures is even sillier.

I have no issue with the coaching as I don't think this is a particularly good roster even before the trade deadline. But to carve out a 52 game stretch as evidence that Huska did a good job of coaching doesn't hold water for me.

That 52-game stretch was the only time when he had a full NHL roster to work with. You can argue about whether to judge him for the beginning of the season, but no coach who ever lived could have won with the roster he had at the end.

[dino7c]

Most of the team was at the Roughnecks game tonight and were really having a time and supporting the guys. Good for them,.Kuzmenko is an awesome dude.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Most of the team was at the Roughnecks game tonight and were really having a time and supporting the guys. Good for them,.Kuzmenko is an awesome dude.

That's cool to hear.

[McG]

Not to be a contrarian, but flames basically won themselves out of a 5th overall pick going 5-5-0 and having the 3rd best record of non playoff western teams in the last 10 games thus likely prolonging any retooling.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by McG

Not to be a contrarian, but flames basically won themselves out of a 5th overall pick going 5-5-0 and having the 3rd best record of non playoff western teams in the last 10 games thus likely prolonging any retooling.

Look at who they beat. Most of those teams were not going to be out-sucked.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by McG

Not to be a contrarian, but flames basically won themselves out of a 5th overall pick going 5-5-0 and having the 3rd best record of non playoff western teams in the last 10 games thus likely prolonging any retooling.

Out of curiosity, who are you worried they could have picked at 5th that won't be available at 9?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

2024/25

Kuzmenko Kadri Pospisil
Zary Celebrini Sharangovich
Pelletier Backlund Coleman
Huberdeau Rooney Hunt
Duehr

Weegar Anderson
Kylington Tanev
Pachal Miromanov
Solo

Broissoit
Wolf

Swap Huberdeau and Pelletier and I’m on board.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1781810186690363645

Why do the Flames keep having players play through injury for no reason?

Backlund is, however, the 8th longest active iron man now, I believe.

[jayswin]

Yeah, that's pretty goofy to hear a player was playing through injury on a team that sold off and was going for a high pick. Like why?