Tank for Celebrini

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Not because people thought Juolevi was a bad pick or a bust, because everyone wanted a forward. The entire thread about had a meltdown when Poolparty went to the Oilers.

People here are posting like everyone knew Juolevi was going to fall apart.

You're not just hindsight scouting, you're hindsight misremembering your own thread you linked

Nope.

Phew is getting the player you want.

LOL is team ahead of us messed up.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

A lot of hindsight scouting going on in here. I doubt Juolevi ever reaches the highs Tkachuk has, but if he stays healthy I would be shocked if he didn't develop into an every day NHLer

I posted this days before that draft. How can it be hindsight scouting when I said this before he picked by the Canucks?

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm probably in the minority but I feel a little worried Juolevi is going to be a bit of a disappointment for the team that drafts him. Soft player in his own end and had the benefit of playing on an absolutely stacked team. It wouldn't out of the realm of possibility that Andersson could eventually turn out to be a better defenseman.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Are you passing on Celebrini or McKenna?

Here's a dream scenario.

The Flames win 1OA and Habs get 2 or 3OA. Flames trade 1OA to Habs for their pick and the Flames' 2025 1st round pick. Flames select whomever they see as the best defenceman in this draft and now have two 1st rounders next year (at this point).

Win the lottery in 2026 and select McKenna.

Easy, peasy.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Here's a dream scenario.

The Flames win 1OA and Habs get 2 or 3OA. Flames trade 1OA to Habs for their pick and the Flames' 2025 1st round pick. Flames select whomever they see as the best defenceman in this draft and now have two 1st rounders next year (at this point).

Win the lottery in 2026 and select McKenna.

Easy, peasy.

This team has been hunting for a legit #1C for about 30 years.

If they are lucky enough to win the draft lottery and pass on Celebrini there will be no words....

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This team has been hunting for a legit #1C for about 30 years.

If they are lucky enough to win the draft lottery and pass on Celebrini there will be no words....

Aah, yes, the flaw in my dream was me thinking McKenna was a centre. Stupid, illogical dream.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nope.

Phew is getting the player you want.

LOL is team ahead of us messed up.

If you say so! It certainly doesn't read that way.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I posted this days before that draft. How can it be hindsight scouting when I said this before he picked by the Canucks?

Link the actual post, you heathen! A quote of yourself means nothing!


You can have a stamp of "Not hindsight scouting."


edit - for you bb https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=455

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I am not saying he was the right or wrong pick over Tkachuk.

He was definitely the wrong pick over Tkachuk...

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Aah, yes, the flaw in my dream was me thinking McKenna was a centre. Stupid, illogical dream.

The flaw in your scenario is passing on Celebrini.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by activeStick

He was definitely the wrong pick over Tkachuk...

Which isn't really my argument.
Canucks drafted on Need. Juolevi was almost the consensus top dman in the draft.

My two arguments are that there we're not four dman ranked above Juolevi and that Juolevi's career is a sad case of injuries and illness derailing what likely would have been an NHL career

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Aah, yes, the flaw in my dream was me thinking McKenna was a centre. Stupid, illogical dream.

Ah yes give up a top flight center to get a chance at a top flight center?

This drafts top ten is being seriously undervalued.

Although the more i think about it its not a bad idea. Walking away from this draft with Catton or Yakemchuk plus our first back? Hmmmmm? Catton has better junior number than point or draisaitl and i think yaks is going to be an absolute stud.

Would either of these two be a huge downgrade from celebrini with the addition of a top fifteen pick next year? If we get a stud center or stud defencemen from this draft I see it as a success.

Interesting actually.

[albertGQ]

If we win the lottery, it'd be foolish to not keep it and draft Celebrini

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Would either of these two be a huge downgrade from celebrini with the addition of a top fifteen pick next year?

Yes.

It would be beyond foolish. CP would riot.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If you say so! It certainly doesn't read that way.



Link the actual post, you heathen! A quote of yourself means nothing!


You can have a stamp of "Not hindsight scouting."


edit - for you bb https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=455

Good enough for you?

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...vi#post5805229

[GioforPM]

Vancouver needed a Dman, so passed on Tkachuk. Who got traded for, among other players, Weegar.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vancouver needed a Dman, so passed on Tkachuk. Who got traded for, among other players, Weegar.

Not sure why this is relevant many years later.

They no longer need a dman.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not sure why this is relevant many years later.

They no longer need a dman.

The point is that if you draft the BPA, you can trade him for what you need.

If you draft for what you need, you're more likely to get a player who doesn't pan out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not sure why this is relevant many years later.

They no longer need a dman.

Because they drafted BPA in Quinn Hughes. And had to trade a 1st and 2nd rounder for Hronek.

I daresay they still need a Dman though. If and when they fail this POs it will be because aside from those two, they rely on Myers, Zadorov, Soucy and Cole.

[Blaster86]

If the Canucks were better at drafting earlier, they don't have a Norris quality d man right now.


When the Canucks fail in the play-offs, the dmen likely won't be the story. It'll be that the team just stopped scoring.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If you say so! It certainly doesn't read that way.

Does to me.

I mean I didn't spend all day reading the rest of the topic, but I saw like 3-4 LOLs and the like after the Canuck's pick.

Means bad pick to me.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Good enough for you?

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...vi#post5805229

No. Click it for me now.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Does to me.

I mean I didn't spend all day reading the rest of the topic, but I saw like 3-4 LOLs and the like after the Canuck's pick.

Means bad pick to me.

I mean... I spent like five minutes just bouncing around pages while trying to find the page that had the Canucks pick on it, since you linked the wrong page (Photon's fault for messing with forum code I am sure), and reading posts as I went.

Everything around the pick, leading up to it and after is that the Flames are getting one of the two players posters had hoped to land between Poolparty and Tkachuk. The worry was when Columbus reached for Dubois, who the Canucks had apparently wanted, they'd pivot to a different forward.