2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't think it's Columbus though.

I think it's LA, Anaheim, or the New York teams (Rangers, Islanders, or Devils).

If I'm not mistaken his wife did have a bit of a TV / DJ / Music career and there were some rumblings she'd like to be in a market she could better take advantage of that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Anaheim takes a hard look. They have high end talent coming, lots of cap room, and he's the type of C that can take some pressure off the young guys like Carlsson and Gauthier as they enter the NHL.

I always assumed the Kings will be one of the teams that will go hard for McDavid as him hitting free agency coincides with Kopitar coming off their books. They would be silly not to.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Are we sure that he's a Devil's fan and not Spurs? When the poster first came on and he remind me of Spurs and the join date lined up.

He just seems too comfortable jumping in and start debating with CPers ...finding ways ro put down the Flames as Spurs liked to do. Spurs also had a habit of ignoring what posters were saying just to repeat the same things over.

No, he posts the same stuff on HF as well

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I always assumed the Kings will be one of the teams that will go hard for McDavid as him hitting free agency coincides with Kopitar coming off their books. They would be silly not to.

An Oilers superstar going to the LA Kings? That's unpossible.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I always assumed the Kings will be one of the teams that will go hard for McDavid as him hitting free agency coincides with Kopitar coming off their books. They would be silly not to.

I always thought McDavid to Toronto and Draisaitl to LA. Not sure Toronto can work it now

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I have zero idea what the Devils are doing, I'm not certain their GM knows either. Those goalie moves were lateral at best. Super confusing to me.

They made sense to me.

I mean... they for sure didn't improve the goaltending (Lateral as you said) but they weren't really intended to. The goalie moves they made were designed to lower the $$ commitment to the goaltending position after this season. Allen costs half as much as Vanecek and Kahkonen is off the books... so they can go out and make moves for better goalies without having to complicate it by needing retention or supplemental trades.

They're clearly thinking that the goalie market will be less expensive in the offseason so they made moves to facilitate later moves. Time will tell whether the price they end up paying vs. the price they could have paid a few weeks ago will justify essentially punting the playoffs this year.

[SuperMatt18]

Moving a third for Allen didn't make a ton of sense to me - backups with an .892 save percentage will be available for $1M in the offseason without having to move a 3rd.

The Vanacek deal makes a ton of sense though. Get an early look at Kahkonen (you never know with goalies), move out $3.7M off of next year's cap obligation, and really it didn't cost you anything to do that.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by HitterD

I’m starting to believe that dgibb10 is, in fact, Mudcrutch/Tyler Dellow, as was speculated back in the other thread. It makes sense with the posting style, the insane need to show he’s smarter than everyone else. I figured someone THAT defensive was possibly a Devils employee. lol

I am just thankful for Mudcrutch’s documentation of the Oilers hall of shame in April 2007.

Oilers Hit New Low
By mc79hockey

I’m pretty sure that this is a first for a professional sports organization - publicly saying that one of its former players should have got divorced. The Journal is running a three part series on this disaster of a season (which can be redeemed to a certain extent tomorrow night) and here’s the money quote:

Marriage is full of challenges, but Nichols, who will be married 40 years in June, believes it’s up to couples to work things out while honouring their work commitments. “Goodness, those guys are well off. If they want to get away, if it’s too cold, if it’s too dirty, they got the wherewithal to do whatever they want, including go back to the mansion in St. Louis, if that’s the remedy.

I was pretty non-anti Pronger when this news came out in June (nobody was pro-Pronger) but I think that, again, it’s worth pointing out that in any other industry in the world, if Pronger’s wife hated his job and the fact that they’d moved to an igloo on the tundra (the story has ample reference to their 2,000 square foot home; it took me a few minutes to realize that that was a pejorative), he’d just quit his job and they’d move somewhere else. Only in professional sports are you owned by somebody and need to seek their approval to move. It’s a bogus comparison because Pronger’s situations is different in that he needs his employer’s approval to move.

If you really think about that quote, it’s a pretty awful thing to say - Nichols is basically saying that Pronger should have gotten divorced so that he could what Cal Nichols wants. Not to scream about the morals and direction of society, but that’s unbelievable. I’ve got a feeling that’s one of those quotes that is kind of unintentionally revealing.

And of course documenting what a clown David Staples is and was.

Oh and one other thing - why is the Journal’s entertainment writer (David Staples) the one with his name all over this story? Maybe if a sports reporter (I’m not sure what exactly MacKinnon’s involvement was here - it kind of looks like he just provided files) had written it, he’d have known how to contact Pronger in Anaheim to see if he had any comment on Nichols’ remarks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Moving a third for Allen didn't make a ton of sense to me - backups with an .892 save percentage will be available for $1M in the offseason without having to move a 3rd.

The Vanacek deal makes a ton of sense though. Get an early look at Kahkonen (you never know with goalies), move out $3.7M off of next year's cap obligation, and really it didn't cost you anything to do that.

I guess. Vanacek actually was hard done by this year. His career numbers are fine. He had a .911 save% on an almost identical team the year before. And as Markstrom shows, you shouldn't judge a goalie by his worst year. KK's numbers are similar, though arguably not as good over the last 3 years. But he played in SJ so who knows.

[Monahammer]

If lindy will sign at 6 or something that's still a great contract to have. That's the type of thing I'd consider for sure- why not?

Monahan should definitely be offered a spot back if he's willing to come. Dude never should have left. I don't know if he'll be interested. I could see the Red Wings pitching to him.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Monahan, please. I love that guy.

[Wastedyouth]

This poster is reeeeeally in the heads of some of you.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

NJD would happily target Georgiev and Girard if they're being put on the market to clear space.

Jersey has nothing that Colorado needs though. Most Stanley Cup contenders don’t go hunting at the bottom of the barrel in terms of NHL teams unless that team has something that team actually needs. For the Avs it could well be goaltending. The Devils, being a perennial lottery team are at the bottom of the barrel but they do not have a goalie. In fact the Devils have almost nothing that the Avs may be interested in, the Avs forwards are much better than the Devils forwards, their defence is much better than the Devils defence. Don’t think it will work out for you.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I guess. Vanacek actually was hard done by this year. His career numbers are fine. He had a .911 save% on an almost identical team the year before. And as Markstrom shows, you shouldn't judge a goalie by his worst year. KK's numbers are similar, though arguably not as good over the last 3 years. But he played in SJ so who knows.

I'd agree with you if I thought there was a way that NJ wouldn't be trying to go into next season with a different goalie.

If they were willing to roll it back and hope for a Vanecek bounce back then I think it would make sense, but that's never going to happen.

So if you know you want to bring in a goalie with a higher cap hit potentially then clearing that $3.7M without having to pay to get rid of it is a big win.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Jersey has nothing that Colorado needs though. Most Stanley Cup contenders don’t go hunting at the bottom of the barrel in terms of NHL teams unless that team has something that team actually needs. For the Avs it could well be goaltending. The Devils, being a perennial lottery team are at the bottom of the barrel but they do not have a goalie. In fact the Devils have almost nothing that the Avs may be interested in, the Avs forwards are much better than the Devils forwards, their defence is much better than the Devils defence. Don’t think it will work out for you.

NJD would happily facillitate another move.

For example in this case with as you say, Calgary selling markstrom 50%.

NJD provides a top 10 1st, gets: Georgiev+Girard

Colorado can then use said top 10 first to buy markstrom 50% retained if they want.

Or something along those lines.

Why send Girard and Georgiev to calgary who, as claimed in this scenario is viewing them as cap filler, when you can send them to NJD who's offering a top tier asset for them.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

This poster is reeeeeally in the heads of some of you.

There are a lot of posters on this board that want to/genuinely do believe they're the smartest person in the room.

So having that openly challenged will naturally go over like a lead balloon.

However, any one with obvious vested interest and overconfidence in Fitz and the Devils at this stage should be laughed out of the room, not just here but anywhere.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I guess. Vanacek actually was hard done by this year. His career numbers are fine. He had a .911 save% on an almost identical team the year before. And as Markstrom shows, you shouldn't judge a goalie by his worst year. KK's numbers are similar, though arguably not as good over the last 3 years. But he played in SJ so who knows.

"Vitek actually isn't bad"

along with constant cries of

"Why didn't NJD pay through the roof for a goalie"

Doesn't line up.

Either blame the goalies, in which case they replaced both with decent options.

Or blame the dmen, in which case they didn't overpay for a goalie and saved assets to go after bigger needs. (frankly, NJD should have been heavier on Hanifin than Markstrom)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

. (frankly, NJD should have been heavier on Hanifin than Markstrom)

Still think they should have tried to get both.

They should have offered up Mercer + 1st + Casey for Hanifin (re-signed) and Markstrom (25% retained) IMO.

I think that would have probably got it done and if Hanifin re-signs I think that actually elevates them into contender status pretty quickly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

"Vitek actually isn't bad"

along with constant cries of

"Why didn't NJD pay through the roof for a goalie"

Doesn't line up.

Either blame the goalies, in which case they replaced both with decent options.

Or blame the dmen, in which case they didn't overpay for a goalie and saved assets to go after bigger needs. (frankly, NJD should have been heavier on Hanifin than Markstrom)

I said he was overblamed. I never said he was as good as Markstrom, which is more to the point.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Still think they should have tried to get both.

They should have offered up Mercer + 1st + Casey for Hanifin (re-signed) and Markstrom (25% retained) IMO.

I think that would have probably got it done and if Hanifin re-signs I think that actually elevates them into contender status pretty quickly.

To me that feels like a large overpayment on Markstrom.

1st+Bahl+3rd imo would have beat the vegas offer for Hanifin, which is what I would have offered personally, at least earlier in the season, although I believe calgary wanted to wait until the deadline. I personally value casey at a 1st+3rd (he has the same PPG this year as Hutson for example with better defensive metrics, much more of his production 5v5, and is a more physical player and better skater. Imo the best dman in College Hockey). So that means we're paying slightly less than Mercer+1st for Markstrom, which is a HEFTY price.

After Mcleod left the wheels fell off, and from my view, once he was gone our bottom 6 depth, and overall play took a big hit and after that I'm quite glad we didn't buy.

My belief was the large packages rumoured involved both Hanifin and Markstrom.

I generally prefer to speak in terms of pick values, so for the package of Hanifin+Markstrom (50%) retained, I would have offered 3 1sts of value, or whatever that looks like in equivalent assets.

1st+1st+1st+Bahl+Vitek for example to keep rosters balanced.


I expect NJD to still make a push at Hanifin in UFA (Hanifin and Tom Fitzgerald have an existing relationship).

My ideal target personally, over any goalie is Marcus Pettersson.

NJD this year has struggled with being slower offensively (Losing Mcleod, Wood, Boqvist, Tatar)

And defensive breakout passes (Bahl has his struggles there, Smith is horrific, and Siegs and Marino have taken a step back as well as the loss of hamilton)

Pettersson has played 2 years on a pairing with John Marino already, would help our PK tremendously, our defensive play, and our puck moving

Hughes-Nemec
Pettersson-Marino
Siegenthaler-Hamilton

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I said he was overblamed. I never said he was as good as Markstrom, which is more to the point.

Markstrom has been excellent this year, I have never denied that. My point has always been about goalie volatility, and how trading for Markstrom would not have guaranteed us a "goalie solution" like calgary fans claim.

Going to his age 35 season next year there is no guarantee markstrom plays like he did this past year, or even that he would have kept up his play post deadline (see his 0.878 since the alleged trade was supposed to go through).