[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[Roof-Daddy]

I bet Johnny and Matty would have stayed had COVID not happened.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Don't think we'll see border travel shut down like that again during their hockey careers. I don't think it will be an issue.

It's just interesting to see 5/6 UFAs exit with Backlund likely joining them without the offer of captaincy.

The outlook of the team probably factored in more than fears instilled by covid, but funny enough if the UFA d-men stuck around this group probably remains competitive.

They were chugging along pretty well. They just needed to drop Lindholm who was a hindrance to the offense.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I bet Johnny and Matty would have stayed had COVID not happened.

I think they would have stayed if we beat the Oilers and taken a few games off the Avs.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Don't think we'll see border travel shut down like that again during their hockey careers. I don't think it will be an issue.

We can hope not. But we were all very forcefully reminded that the border is there and can be closed. I don't think anyone who lived through it is likely to forget that.

Freedom to travel between the U.S. and Canada is no longer something we can just take for granted.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

I don’t know. Adam Fox never played a single game for us. If Im drafting long shots in say the the 4th round I might start to consider players that might actually sign with the organization.

First Round is a different story for sure I’d agree with that.

Cliff Pu likely never would have played a game for us either.

I'd rather have the guy that ended up being worth two 2nd round picks when he was traded from Carolina to New York.

And then won a Norris trophy on his ELC.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

We can hope not. But we were all very forcefully reminded that the border is there and can be closed. I don't think anyone who lived through it is likely to forget that.

Freedom to travel between the U.S. and Canada is no longer something we can just take for granted.

Yeah I suppose. Hard to know what that would've felt like as a Canadian.

It sucks to see the Flames inordinately affected by the outcome of that though. Too many key players that were family-oriented Americans.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yeah I suppose. Hard to know what that would've felt like as a Canadian.

It sucks to see the Flames inordinately affected by the outcome of that though. Too many key players that were family-oriented Americans.

As a Canadian living in the US during Covid it really sucked. The 2 week quarantine on this side, and no clarity if they would let me back in to the US for the first 14 months was worse (my Visa type was not listed as one that they were permitting).

For young guys that are super tight with their parents like JG and MT, I totally get their concern.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I believe Hanifin.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...line-decision/

Conversely I dont buy any of it.

An NHL job is not a career, its an opportunity, and you make of it what you can.

When you talk about 'being close to home' its the same as NHLers that complain about the weather.

What they're doing is choosing a subject that can't be disputed. They're not blaming the Team or the Organization or the City they just 'have to be close to home!'

Awww....thats so sweet? Who can blame them?

Um. Everyone. Because its nonsense.

Hanifin wanted to go to Boston or Tampa to 'be close to home.' Well. Now he's in Vegas.

He absolutely screwed the Flames by publicly announcing his preferred destinations because those destinations are barren of assets and so any other destination knows they're probably getting a rental and as such the price goes down.

If he wanted to be 'honourable' he'd have submitted his 8-team list and then he and his Agent would STFU until the deal was done and then when he's a Free Agent in the Summer they can say whatever they want.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I bet Johnny and Matty would have stayed had COVID not happened.

A friend of mine who used to play in the NHL and has contacts at various teams is of the view Covid is the primary reason Johnny left.

[memphusk]

Meh. He's gone and the market wasn't great for a mid pairing defender. Seeya.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

A friend of mine who used to play in the NHL and has contacts at various teams is of the view Covid is the primary reason Johnny left.

That's crazy. So was it because he wanted to be with his family? I know it was hard on some people.

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[dino7c]

We are lucky Gaudreau didn't sign 8x10.5 anyway

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Meh. He's gone and the market wasn't great for a mid pairing defender. Seeya.

unprotected 1st is a pretty great return, I really don't get why anyone is down on this deal

Most rentals get you a guaranteed late pick, there is a fair chance this is a decent pick IMO.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Locke

Conversely I dont buy any of it.

An NHL job is not a career, its an opportunity, and you make of it what you can.

When you talk about 'being close to home' its the same as NHLers that complain about the weather.

What they're doing is choosing a subject that can't be disputed. They're not blaming the Team or the Organization or the City they just 'have to be close to home!'

Awww....thats so sweet? Who can blame them?

Um. Everyone. Because its nonsense.

Hanifin wanted to go to Boston or Tampa to 'be close to home.' Well. Now he's in Vegas.

He absolutely screwed the Flames by publicly announcing his preferred destinations because those destinations are barren of assets and so any other destination knows they're probably getting a rental and as such the price goes down.

If he wanted to be 'honourable' he'd have submitted his 8-team list and then he and his Agent would STFU until the deal was done and then when he's a Free Agent in the Summer they can say whatever they want.

It’s normal teams would want to talk to him first about his chances of signing with them.

Did you expect him to lie?

If he said nothing teams would assume it’s a rental.

I think the thought he screwed Calgary is blown out of proportion. Calgary got a rental price like you normally do at the deadline.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Locke

Conversely I dont buy any of it.

An NHL job is not a career, its an opportunity, and you make of it what you can.

When you talk about 'being close to home' its the same as NHLers that complain about the weather.

What they're doing is choosing a subject that can't be disputed. They're not blaming the Team or the Organization or the City they just 'have to be close to home!'

Awww....thats so sweet? Who can blame them?

Um. Everyone. Because its nonsense.

Hanifin wanted to go to Boston or Tampa to 'be close to home.' Well. Now he's in Vegas.

He absolutely screwed the Flames by publicly announcing his preferred destinations because those destinations are barren of assets and so any other destination knows they're probably getting a rental and as such the price goes down.

If he wanted to be 'honourable' he'd have submitted his 8-team list and then he and his Agent would STFU until the deal was done and then when he's a Free Agent in the Summer they can say whatever they want.

I don't buy what you're selling here. I have nothing against a team asking the Flames if they can negotiate a contract extension with Hanifin, then approach his agent, and his agent telling said team that Hanifin isn't interested in an extension right now/ever.

Hanifin didn't screw anyone over, because any GM trading for Hanifin would like to know where Hanifin stands on a contract extension, in terms of money and term. Especially now that you can't add conditional picks based on a player extending. Obviously, Conroy didn't have to allow that, but that increases the risk of signing Hanifin for an acquiring team, and consequently reduces the return for the Flames.

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As for the return itself, I think it's a little light. I think it's a 2nd/3rd short of the value D like Orlov, and Lindholm had over the last couple of years. IMO we got slightly more than for Hanifin than MTL got for Chiarot(2023 1st, 2022 4th, and a prospect(former 3rd)), and Hanifin is the far superior D. Hopefully Miromanov turns into a gem, but he's only a year younger than Hanifin, with 30 NHL GP.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dino7c

unprotected 1st is a pretty great return, I really don't get why anyone is down on this deal

Most rentals get you a guaranteed late pick, there is a fair chance this is a decent pick IMO.

Noah Hanifin is a very high level player, rental or not. People can be happy with an unprotected pick c couple years from now and still wish a couple later picks were included

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dino7c

We are lucky Gaudreau didn't sign 8x10.5 anyway

I guess that depends if Tkachuk would have stayed or not. But yeah, the Gaudreau Columbus got I would not want.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Locke

Conversely I dont buy any of it.

An NHL job is not a career, its an opportunity, and you make of it what you can.

When you talk about 'being close to home' its the same as NHLers that complain about the weather.

What they're doing is choosing a subject that can't be disputed. They're not blaming the Team or the Organization or the City they just 'have to be close to home!'

Awww....thats so sweet? Who can blame them?

Um. Everyone. Because its nonsense.

Hanifin wanted to go to Boston or Tampa to 'be close to home.' Well. Now he's in Vegas.

He absolutely screwed the Flames by publicly announcing his preferred destinations because those destinations are barren of assets and so any other destination knows they're probably getting a rental and as such the price goes down.

If he wanted to be 'honourable' he'd have submitted his 8-team list and then he and his Agent would STFU until the deal was done and then when he's a Free Agent in the Summer they can say whatever they want.

This should really be the path going forward. The player should never tell the team or any team where he is willing to sign. Make every player a rental trade so that everyone is happy. If teams even asked Conroy if Hanifin was willing to sign longterm Conroy should have said “pound sand, I am trading a rental not a sign and trade”.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by dino7c

We are lucky Gaudreau didn't sign 8x10.5 anyway

But we could have traded him for a first round pick to draft Rico Fata

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

This should really be the path going forward. The player should never tell the team or any team where he is willing to sign. Make every player a rental trade so that everyone is happy. If teams even asked Conroy if Hanifin was willing to sign longterm Conroy should have said “pound sand, I am trading a rental not a sign and trade”.

So Conroy should never try and maximize a return? What’s the true upside, the rental price won’t increase.