[Rumour] Dreger: Markstrom trade won't happen unless NJ includes Mercer and higher draft pick

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Mercer is a 3rd line centerman with some amount of potential, every team has players of his calibre. Gotta pay to play man, if Mercer is “extortion” I’ll get some serious schadenfreud from watching the Devils miss the playoffs…again.

Young, cost controlled potential Cs go for Hauls.


See what Alex Newhook and Kirby Dach recieved. (they both recieved hauls in line with the top of the goalie market over the last decade). And then look at their pre trade production and compare it to mercer

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by musth

If GSAx was the be all end all, why was Fitz so hot and horny and eventually all asshurt about not getting this specific 34 year old goalie, instead of your boy Binn?

Markstrom has had a fantastic season in GSAx. He was the best on the market for this year. Unfortunately the flames GM doesn't have the authority to make big boy trades like that yet. Only allowed to move rentals that refuse to sign.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

It would explain how he can't afford a ticket to a Kitchener Rangers game.

$25 lol. I guess the Devils don’t pay their analytics staff very well.

Definitely going to be a lot of requests for trades out of Jersey in the next 16 months if they don’t get a serious #1 goalie in July.

[musth]

Wow, you sure like moving those goalposts, don't you?

Maybe you would have been an upgrade in the Devils net!

Come to think of it, maybe this poster IS Fitz. Seems like the same temperament.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Young, cost controlled potential Cs go for Hauls.


See what Alex Newhook and Kirby Dach recieved. (they both recieved hauls in line with the top of the goalie market over the last decade). And then look at their pre trade production and compare it to mercer

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Markstrom has had a fantastic season in GSAx. He was the best on the market for this year. Unfortunately the flames GM doesn't have the authority to make big boy trades like that yet. Only allowed to move rentals that refuse to sign.

Just so we’re clear, you’re saying Mercer is worth a top end goalie…

[dammage79]

We can probably lock this pig up. Trade didn't happen because the Devil's weren't going to pay the asking price. Flames were well within their rights to ask for the moon for a Vezina caliber goalie.

Media stewed this up more than it should have.

Clearly the two sides (when you seperate words from actions) were too far apart to make a trade. End.of.story.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

$25 lol. I guess the Devils don’t pay their analytics staff very well.

Definitely going to be a lot of requests for trades out of Jersey in the next 16 months if they don’t get a serious #1 goalie in July.

I think the flames have had almost as many guys make trade requests than the rest of the league combined over markstroms tenure so clearly getting him doesn't stop them

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yes, let those other teams trade futures. NJD this year even with Markstrom was not in a position to compete, ESPECIALLY if you take Mercer off the roster.

Losing 27 points and -20 player is going to tank the team that adds a Vezina calibre goalie?

Talk about over valuing a player.

Can we order you a nice mirror from Shein? I hear you somehow live close to both OHL teams and the Stars AHL affiliate, is that a hard place to order find? Sounds like the kind of place that's two weeks from everywhere, a real geographical oddity.

[JurassicTunga12]

I'm no scout or anything, but I watched a few Devils games recently because of all the Markstrom speculation, and each time I came away pretty unimpressed with Mercer. Didn't stand out at all.
I don't think he's a center either. From what I read from Devils fans, he has been pretty bad in that position when he has played there.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Just so we’re clear, you’re saying Mercer is worth a top end goalie…

Yes.

Based on what goalies have historcially recieved and quality ELC NHLers have historically recieved. Young and cheap is where the biggest returns come from (see, Hagel trade, Dach trade, Romanov trade, Newhook trade, etc)

[Enoch Root]

oh the butt hurt, and increasing desperation with each post, is hilarious to watch!

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Losing 27 points and -20 player is going to tank the team that adds a Vezina calibre goalie?

Talk about over valuing a player.

Can we order you a nice mirror from Shein? I hear you somehow live close to both OHL teams and the Stars AHL affiliate, is that a hard place to order find? Sounds like the kind of place that's two weeks from everywhere, a real geographical oddity.

When did I say I lived near the Stars AHL affiliate?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yes.

Based on what goalies have historcially recieved and quality ELC NHLers have historically recieved. Young and cheap is where the biggest returns come from (see, Hagel trade, Dach trade, Romanov trade, Newhook trade, etc)

And then you go on to say Markstrom was the best available this year…

Sorry it’s taking us a little while to get there but we’ll get you to the finish line at some point.

[dgibb10]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

And then you go on to say Markstrom was the best available this year…

Sorry it’s taking us a little while to get there but we’ll get you to the finish line at some point.

Yes, Markstrom for this year was the best goalie available. Goalies however are not particularly valuable in comparison to top assets at other positions. And the 3rd year of term isn't great for his value at age 36

[musth]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Markstrom has had a fantastic season in GSAx. He was the best on the market for this year. Unfortunately the flames GM doesn't have the authority to make big boy trades like that yet. Only allowed to move rentals that refuse to sign.

Ah, but you see, he wasn't on the market.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

When did I say I lived near the Stars AHL affiliate?

That's what you took from that post? You ignored the stats and went right to the joke.

Your definitive statements about a defenseman who played on the Stars AHL affiliate would suggest you ha e somehow seen him play quite a bit.

Anyway, it was a joke from a movie that is likely not up your alley. Not many fart jokes.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

I think the flames have had almost as many guys make trade requests than the rest of the league combined over markstroms tenure so clearly getting him doesn't stop them

What ever you need to make yourself feel bigger than the small man you are. Go back to trying to cope with a season of your window going down the toilet, preferably on HF Boards since you’re only here to be obnoxious.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yes, Markstrom for this year was the best goalie available. Goalies however are not particularly valuable in comparison to top assets at other positions. And the 3rd year of term isn't great for his value at age 36

Tell that to your star players who can't get a save and are pissed they are missing the playoffs again.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yes, Markstrom for this year was the best goalie available. Goalies however are not particularly valuable in comparison to top assets at other positions. And the 3rd year of term isn't great for his value at age 36

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Young, cost controlled potential Cs go for Hauls.


See what Alex Newhook and Kirby Dach recieved. (they both recieved hauls in line with the top of the goalie market over the last decade). And then look at their pre trade production and compare it to mercer

There is a serious mental disconnect between these 2 posts

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dgibb10

Yes.

Based on what goalies have historcially recieved and quality ELC NHLers have historically recieved. Young and cheap is where the biggest returns come from (see, Hagel trade, Dach trade, Romanov trade, Newhook trade, etc)

Based on trade comparables Mercer is probably worth a 1st and a 2nd.

One season of Kuemper got a 1st, Connor Timmins (2nd round pick who was in the NHL), Condiitonal 3rd

Really feels like 2.5 seasons of Markstrom at $3M really should have been worth Mercer + 1st then if 1 season of Kumper at $3.5M returned a 1st + 2nd (Timmins) + 3rd

Mercer = 1st + 2nd
$6.9M of retention = 1st

Seems pretty damn fair to me.