2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Could be more suitors as teams reset for a new year.

Yeah, just like how all the players we’ve traded this season were worth more as the season went on, right?

I’d put it on ownership/Maloney/Bean still sitting there thinking short term.

Keeping Marky hurts the value of the Flames 2024 1st round pick. Just to keep him to trade him the Summer? What a waste.

[Claes]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

As a Flames fan I really don’t care about NJ’s outcome. Care about maximizing return on an asset that does not assist or fit in the timeline of the rebuild. Highest value he will ever be is now. If that gets you Holtz, Casey, 1st with retention you take it and run.

One could argue that his value would be even higher in the off-season if the Flames advance to the playoffs, and him winning the Vezina.

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[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

And you think that offer drops to a 2nd round pick at the draft?

Don’t think it gets better. For all we know, Markstrom spends a couple weeks in the summer in Jersey and decides it’s actually a no and he wants to only go to LA.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

And you think that offer drops to a 2nd round pick at the draft?

Why would it be a 1st, lots more options in the off-season. No one is offloading a premium asset like a 1st prior to draft and also won’t do so before the season since there is no pressure or leverage at that point. The perfect storm and Markstroms maximum value is now, and by the sounds of it the Flames botched it.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

As a Flames fan I really don’t care about NJ’s outcome. Care about maximizing return on an asset that does not assist or fit in the timeline of the rebuild. Highest value he will ever be is now. If that gets you Holtz, Casey, 1st with retention you take it and run.

That’s just a rumor, we don’t know that for sure.

For all we know, Fitz nixed the deal because he was trying to offer less without retention. Conroy was adamant on his price.

[Monahammer]

In the off-season, temperatures across the board are down. It’s easy to convince the team that the solution could still be in the room rather than spending on an aging goalie. The situation that has developed into NJs seeming obsession with markstrom is time limited by his age and the teams relative positions.
Further there are likely to be more goalies available come off season.

I hope we are being a little bit flexible on the ask. I’m confident this is the highest value point for markstrom. I still don’t buy that management can be daft enough to hope for playoffs.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Claes

One could argue that his value would be even higher in the off-season if the Flames advance to the playoffs, and him winning the Vezina.

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Flames odd's to make the playoffs are not great.

If they miss, they won't award the Vezina to Markstrom

Not even sure he would be in the top 3.

My guess longer this deal takes to occur, (i.e. summer etc)

Value drops, his NMC will limit the options and make it a very difficult trade (i.e. just like Hanifin)

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

And you think that offer drops to a 2nd round pick at the draft?

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

That’s just a rumor, we don’t know that for sure.

For all we know, Fitz nixed the deal because he was trying to offer less without retention. Conroy was adamant on his price.

Fine to be firm, but he lost and is unlikely to get close to that return ever again on Markstrom. An ownership is a problem, you actually want to build a contender weaponize retention to get the assets. You are spending to the cap anyhow, it’s a bit of a joke.

[GioforPM]

Servalli says NJ is scouring the league for goalies, apparently without success. I think they give up and try again in the offseason

[1qqaaz]

Reasons to trade Markstrom now:
-New Jersey has a limited competitive window with several players on cap efficient ELC/RFA contracts. This season is a part of this window
-Markstrom's play is likely to regress by the end of the season. He is 88% in 3 games without Tanev
-Markstrom tends to be inconsistent on a season-by-season basis. Teams know this. He had negative value just 6 months ago
-Markstrom can get injured
-Markstrom is annoyed by the people at top. He may refuse to waive his NMC in the future. Or he may dictate where he goes
-Ullmark, Saros, Thompson, Gibson, Binnington, Talbot, Stolarz, Brossoi, Nedelkovic, Kahkoken, and Fluery could all be available in the summer. Tons of competition at that point
-Wolf needs more NHL development time
-Markstrom being gone can help this year's draft pick
-If Markstrom is traded, ownership may finally accept the reality that the Flames are not competitive
-Markstrom is one of the oldest goalies in the league and has no long term future for the team
-The Flames could get a 2024 1st round pick at the middle of the first round
-Fitzgerald's job may be on the line. He may be desperate now
-NJ's new coach has an extensive history with Markstrom

Reasons to keep Markstrom now:
-The Flames have an 18.8% chance of making the playoffs. There is a chance the Flames could make it with Markstrom in net
-Other teams like Colorado, LA, Carolina, and Philly make show more interest in Markstrom during the summer
-It's possible that Markstrom now refuses to waive his NMC

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Just trying to follow, why so many people are asserting (as though it’s a fact) that Markstrom’s value will never higher? I will fully admit that is certainly possible, but to be honest doesn’t actually feel (acknowledge that my thoughts here are nothing but an uninformed opinion) like that would be the case.

Markstrom is having a great year. Why might he not be more valuable in the offseason when more teams might enter the mix (understood NMC)?

[traptor]

If they don't trade him now then why would they trade him in the offseason?

If they're not ready to punt this season then they're not puntting next season

[kyuss275]

IMO Markstrom is the only trade able asset we have that could return that “ under 24 center” that conroy covets . If you can’t get that back in trade at deadline then you have to wait till summer to try again. No guarantees conroy gets that asset back in trade in summer but think it’s worth the risk.

[JurassicTunga12]

Make. The. Trade.

[bigrangy]

I am confident that Markstrom is more valuable now than in the Summer. It’s way easier as a GM to gamble on an unproven goalie in the summer than when the losses are piling up in your face and you’re slipping out of the playoffs. Combine that with more goalies being available and more time for teams to think and get the best deal.

Players are always worth the most in the season, picks are always worth the most at the draft.

[traptor]

They're going to keep Markstrom aaying they believe they have a competitive team, then sign a UFA center like Stephenson and a dman like Demelo.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by traptor

If they don't trade him now then why would they trade him in the offseason?

If they're not ready to punt this season then they're not puntting next season

They didn’t trade him because their price wasn’t met, not because of some “never give up” philosophy. You think they traded all the UFAs because they were deadwood for next year?

[Tkachukwagon]

I wonder - if Ullmark is potentially on the move, would Boston try and reaquire Vlader?

[Solstice]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Just trying to follow, why so many people are asserting (as though it’s a fact) that Markstrom’s value will never higher? I will fully admit that is certainly possible, but to be honest doesn’t actually feel (acknowledge that my thoughts here are nothing but an uninformed opinion) like that would be the case.

Markstrom is having a great year. Why might he not be more valuable in the offseason when more teams might enter the mix (understood NMC)?

Because teams will have more options, and a goalie’s success is in large part the success of the defense. Our defense could still be good next year, but are you taking those chances?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

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Reasons to keep Markstrom now:
-The Flames have an 18.8% chance of making the playoffs. There is a chance the Flames could make it with Markstrom in net
-Other teams like Colorado, LA, Carolina, and Philly make show more interest in Markstrom during the summer
-It's possible that Markstrom now refuses to waive his NMC

Would have serious concerns with the Flames if they are only keeping their goalie as they believe they have a chance at the playoffs

Especially since they have traded their #1 center and their top line dman with no replacements.

Games will get tougher, within the last 20 games,

(i.e. game against Tampa, they played 5 dman)