[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Toss in being a regular in a few years? Like when he's 30 years old? Can't wait.

I don't think this player is around when it matters (team is back to competing), but I don't think it a hugs stretch that they see something, will give him a chance, and then have an asset to dump in two years at the 2026 trade deadline.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Its so weird that he didnt get traded as a signed player. If this was the return for a signed Hanifin, oof. But it seems like rental price

everyone wants a sign and trade... that has only ever actually happened once.

[Jason14h]

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/sto...tracts-players

ESPN gives Flames a B+ on trade

[Strange Brew]

Seems possible the TB offer was:

2026 1st round pick
2024 3rd round pick (maybe some condition to make it a 2025 2nd rounder)
Some prospect that Flames didn't like as much as the guy they got from Vegas

Some assumptions there obviously but I suspect that is what it came down to.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/sto...tracts-players

ESPN gives Flames a B+ on trade

Context matters here. Except for one trade the lowest grade given was a B. That trade that got the lowest return? The Flames earned a C- for the Tanev trade.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Tiger

everyone wants a sign and trade... that has only ever actually happened once.

Not necessarily a sign and trade, but there was talk of it coming with an extension but then all that talk stopped

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tiger

everyone wants a sign and trade... that has only ever actually happened once.

It didn't have to be sign and trade. It could have been a deal with a signing by Vegas understood to be in place. There's lots of those (eg Stone).

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Not necessarily a sign and trade, but there was talk of it coming with an extension but then all that talk stopped

Why would Hanifin do this though? He wants to play in Vegas, he can get traded to Vegas. If he signs before the trade, the team he is going to needs to give up more than if he doesn’t and is therefore weaker. Of course he isn’t signing before hand

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Why would Hanifin do this though? He wants to play in Vegas, he can get traded to Vegas. If he signs before the trade, the team he is going to needs to give up more than if he doesn’t and is therefore weaker. Of course he isn’t signing before hand

Because if the price isn't right he doesn't go to Vegas. Or any other team he wants to sign with.

Why did Stone agree to the terms of an extension before the Vegas trade and sign right after?

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because if the price isn't right he doesn't go to Vegas. Or any other team he wants to sign with.

Why did Stone agree to the terms of an extension before the Vegas trade and sign right after?

But
He went to Vegas
I was responding to the poster who wondered why he didn’t sign before the trade to make the return better for us. And I’m saying, why would he do that to a team he’s going to. He obviously didn’t have to.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Some discussion about whether all the trades should be looked at in the aggregate or not - of course they should, because that is what matters to the Flames, and will define the team going forward. Also, individual players have different values to different people, so saying this return was good, and that return was bad, is simply a function of your own perceived value of the player.

With respect to this trade, not seeing the reason for hating the conditions - all they mean is that the 1st could turn out to be more valuable.

2024: 20-32.
2025: 10-32
2026: 1-32
I am hoping Vegas exercises the conditions and gives us the 2026 - who wouldn't want the better odds?

And the 3rd can become a 2nd - oh noes!

And Miromanov is a mid-level prospect. Not terrible, by the way, as he has already played NHL games, and will for the Flames, so this isn't a Hanowski situation. Also, Miromanov has a higher PPG in the AHL than Poirier.

But in the end, it comes down to the total return of all the trades:

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin --> Sharangovich, Kuzmenko, Miromanov, Grushnikov, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd (could become 2nd), 3rd, 3rd, conditional 3rd, 4th (could become 3rd), 5th

The Flames wanted to get younger and rebuild the prospect base. They definitely did that. Knowing they were losing 3 dmen, they wanted to restock the D depth - they did that pretty well(along with the return of Kylington, and the pickups of Pachal and Hanley).

Essentially, the Flames got 2 extra years of draft picks: 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd/possible 2nd, 2 more 3rds, a conditional 3rd and a 4th that can become a 3rd, and a 5th. That all basically equates to 2 years of a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

They also added Brzustewicz, who was a 3rd in last year's draft. So that means that, starting last year, their picks in the top 3 rounds are:

2023: 4 (16, 48, 75, 80)
2024: 5 (10-12, 25-32, 42-46, 50-62, 74-76 + maybe another late 3rd)
2025: 5 (1-32, 11-32, 33-45, 3rd that could be a 2nd, 65-75)
2026: 4 (so far)

If anyone doesn't see that as franchise-altering, I don't know what to say to you. And all of that is on top of already having a middle of the pack prospect list.

Trade Markstrom to a) add to the list, and b) improve the picks we already have, and I give the Flames very high marks for what they've done.

Oh, let's not forget a ton of cap space to add more assets with. As of today, they have 18 contracts for $67M, leaving them with $20M in space. Add Coronato and Kylington, for maybe $3.5M. If they trade Markstrom, either now or in the summer, add another $6M. HUGE opportunities still to come with cap space.

All this has been done while making the on ice product younger and more entertaining.

Hell of a job from Conroy so far, IMO.

Out of thanks and you nailed my view perfectly, so thank you.

[N-E-B]

The Flames should collect resumes from CP next time they’re hiring a GM given the amount of people here who think they could do a better job. And with virtually no knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes to boot. We’re lucky to have so many hockey gurus post here.

[FlamesAddiction]

Probably already posted, but Frank defended Conroy on the trade return for Hanifin. He said Hanifin hijacked the trade process and handcuffed the Flames. Frank usually loves to pile on and throw shade on the Flames whenever he can.

I know people have been speed-bagging Craig Conroy and the Calgary Flames on social media for the return, they had zero leverage. Noah Hanifin completely and totally hijacked that trade process. Basically any team that had called… and I’m told the Flames had two to three different trades that were nearing the finish line that were scuttled by Hanifin’s camp because invariably the team makes a call to the agent and says ‘Hey we’re thinking about trading for this guy, what are the chances we could get him to sign a contract extension?’ And the answer was always, ‘No, no, he’s not re-signing with you.’

So then you add in the other teams that were in the mix, like Florida, like Tampa, Vegas, obviously on the Hanifin ‘yes list.’ He didn’t have the full no-trade clause but he leveraged it and the process like he did, leaving the Flames to the point where me personally, watching all of this unfold – and if you’ve been listening to me I’ve been telling you for three weeks that they’re not going to get a huge return – getting basically a first and probably a second if Vegas wins a round, which I think we all consider probably pretty likely with the moves that they’re still to make, is a first, a second and an NHL defenceman for no having leverage, is that god-awful?

https://flamesnation.ca/news/seraval...-trade-process

[dissentowner]

I am not 100% sure that Hanifin will extend with Vegas. His heart sure seemed set on being in Florida.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Probably already posted, but Frank defended Conroy on the trade return for Hanifin. He said Hanifin hijacked the trade process and handcuffed the Flames. Frank usually loves to pile on and throw shade on the Flames whenever he can.



https://flamesnation.ca/news/seraval...-trade-process

That all good
And
I too agree that conroy did a good job and deserves credit
I simply don’t agree that Hanifin or his group “handcuffed” anything. In fact, I think this might be the most straightforward/honest hockey transaction in a long time.
As a buyer (any team interested in Hanifin), it’s only prudent to ask the vendor (us) about the likelihood of the product (Hanifin) re-signing.
It’s up to us to grant permission. (If we grant it once or twice, we are foolish to think that the answer won’t be known league wide rather quickly, for various reasons).
In this case, obviously hanifins team let interested parties know the likelihood of them retaining him
AND
WISELY
It appears they are extending the contract after the transaction is done to ensure the new team is as strong as possible

[CgyFlamesftw]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Probably already posted, but Frank defended Conroy on the trade return for Hanifin. He said Hanifin hijacked the trade process and handcuffed the Flames. Frank usually loves to pile on and throw shade on the Flames whenever he can.



https://flamesnation.ca/news/seraval...-trade-process

Getting annoying how flames keep getting ####ed over by players and agents.

[KipperFaNaTic]

I like the trade! We got a first rounder, a serviceable defensive defence man, and a potential second rounder to boot.

I guess we’re cheering for Vegas in the playoffs!

[cannon7]

Opinion: Why Golden Knights Got Noah Hanifin for Pennies on the Dollar from Flames - The Hockey News

[Shazam]

He'd better show up in the playoffs. Vegas isn't going to give him any leeway.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am not 100% sure that Hanifin will extend with Vegas. His heart sure seemed set on being in Florida.

I hope he doesn't because it will make this trade look a lot better.