[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I mean there has to be something between a toss in and a centerpiece, unless you just want to be mad. Warning though, there is still a lot of unknowns with this trade, posts may not age well.

Hanifin in Tampa, Flames with a pretty high first and a 2nd and the toss in being a regular in a couple years doesn't seem too far fetched IMO.

Toss in being a regular in a few years? Like when he's 30 years old? Can't wait.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Toss in being a regular in a few years? Like when he's 30 years old? Can't wait.

It amazes me how you manage to ignore almost every positive aspect.
Size? Has it.
Skating ? Has it.
big shot? Has it.
if he has some hockey iq and some on ice awareness most if the tools are their to be a top four defencemen? If he becomes a number four plus a first and probable second for a top pair defencemen not sure how that equates to bad deal?

He was buried on a deep system has had injury trouble the last two years and is just entering prime for defence by most stats.

Will trust conny and the team on this one.

[albertGQ]

Weekes thinks Hanifin will sign for 8 years at ~$7M with Vegas

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Miromanov went from toss in to centerpiece in a hurry, eh? Now anyone calling out this complete 180 are getting attacked.

Guys, Conroy did his best, ok? That's all we can expect. And Big Brain Nonis signed off on it. So it must be a good return.

So let's stop analyzing and just enjoy our regularly scheduled enemas.

Conroy: Can I have Edstrom?
McCrimmon: No.
Conroy: Can I have Brisson?
McCrimmon: No.
Conroy: Can I have Cormier?
McCrimmon: No.
Conroy: Can I have Cataford?
McCrimmon: No.
Conroy: Can I have Miromanov?
McCrimmon: Who? Let me call you back.
(five hours later)
McCrimmon: My team tells me that is a player. So sure. You have a deal. Under two conditions...

So are you going to make up what you think happened to justify your comments? Why not look at the whole body of work instead of looking for something to be negative about? You know it's like when the team loses a game and then somebody's going on and on and on and on about the fact that they lost when it was just a hockey game.

There's no malicious, Conroy is a rookie, GM doing the best he can with what he was given by the previous GM. He played as a Calgary Flame and there is no question he cares about the team, and the organization. But to sit there and criticize something when you don't know what really went down at the very end is just silly. Do you think Conroy was looking for the worst deal, or are you just looking for an opportunity to find something wrong with his effort?

Conroy's not a bad guy he's been giving a very difficult job to do that he's had to do within a short time frame, against a lot of circumstances that that makes the process difficult. Including the players preference.

If your mom, or your dad lacks money and doesn't get something that you want, but still gets you something they could afford; Do you go on and on and on about it?

Conroy is doing the best he can and he's likely going to get better at it. Let's enjoy his body of work because at least he has a plan and he is trying.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

We don't know the circumstances, we do know that in the past the Flames has a tendency to let players walk. Where would this team be if we had gotten a first for Brodie and Gaudreau. We got nothing for them yet some are rambling about Conroy not getting a kings ransom. If we look at the whole body of work, he did better than a lot of people expected while trying to navigate a number of challenges. He couldn't sign a player who had limited destinations which was more hampered by teams that didn't have a first to offer. He still had to negotiate with these teams while they had a leg up They got a player they wanted and a first,let's look at his whole body of work and cut Conroy some slack. Treliving never got roasted this much for letting guys walk.

I'm guessing posters probably think Conroy should have done the Burke Balk so that he could keep his reputation in order - which is much better than getting actual value back.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Only player on your list that was waived is Forsling. None of the other players were ever on waivers.

Yes, that is why i said they were "either buried as tweeners OR waiver fodder"

so the statement was accurate? I am confused.

For the record Miromanov hasn't been waived either.

[3thirty]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Toss in being a regular in a few years? Like when he's 30 years old? Can't wait.

I think in this instance we need less cowbell...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Nieuwendyk was a special player. He was a huge part of Dallas winning the cup in 1999, and that's why they traded Iginla. It was also in the pre-salary cap era where ELCs weren't nearly as important.

Hanifin is not a Niewendyk. ELCs are gold in the salary cap era. If the Stars are concerned about giving up

As in Conn Smythe huge.

Plus, Iginla, as good as he was, wasn't as highly regarded when traded. He had 33 goals/71 points for Kamloops the year he was drafted (though he had won the Memorial Cup with them). But AFTER he was traded he exploded in junior for 63 goals/136 points in 63 games. And then he won gold at the WJC.

[JTech780]

So far the moves Conroy has made have been pretty shrewd, I trust his ability to find players. Sharangovich has been very good, A.J. Greer seemed like a great find for the 4th line before getting injured, Pachal has been solid.

I am excited to see what Miromanov can do. A big RHS defenseman who only started playing defense in junior. There certainly seems like there is potential there.

[CliffFletcher]

With this deal (and the Tanev trade), the bidding teams were likely offering the same picks in the same range. So you can call the VGK, BOS, and TB 2025 1st rounders a wash. Then you move on to the secondary picks and prospects on offer. Evidently, the Flames have been following Miromanov and Grushnikov closely, and like them better than the prospects offered in other deals. So it comes down to whether you trust the Flames scouting department.

[Shazam]

In conman I trust. The people he have brought over have been pleasant surprises. And they seem really happy to be here.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As in Conn Smythe huge.

Plus, Iginla, as good as he was, wasn't as highly regarded when traded. He had 33 goals/71 points for Kamloops the year he was drafted (though he had won the Memorial Cup with them). But AFTER he was traded he exploded in junior for 63 goals/136 points in 63 games. And then he won gold at the WJC.

You are not quite correct here, as posted in the other thread.

If you are saying Iggy was more highly regarded after he was traded, this is of course true, but not fair to say he was not highly regarded when he was traded.

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

https://theathletic.com/1906473/2020...ever-happened/

It’s actually a great read in my opinion.

As in any trade discussions, many options were brought up, including Todd Harvey, who had been the Stars’ first-round draft choice, ninth overall, two years earlier.

One of the great what-if’s for Stars fans is the belief that they could have traded Harvey instead of Iginla in the deal. Those there at the time disagree with that ever being a possibility.

Bob is a smart guy. If he could have kept Iginla, he would have,” Jackson said. “Harvey was negotiated and talked about, for sure. But when you are talking about getting a player like Joe, you have to give something pretty good to complete that deal.”

“When Al Coates says, ‘You better start talking about Jarome Iginla,’ well, now you start talking about other players — ‘Would this player and this player satisfy you?'” said Button, chuckling. “Al would get back to you, ‘Yeah, when we’re talking about a player like Nieuwendyk, our minds are pretty made up on a player like Jarome Iginla.’ So then you rewind.

“But Al and the Calgary Flames had a solid bead on Jarome Iginla. Try as we might to try to get them off of Jarome Iginla in many different ways … he knew how interested we were in Joe.”

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Shazam

In conman I trust. The people he have brought over have been pleasant surprises. And they seem really happy to be here.

Part of Conroy's M.O. seems to be to target players that want to play in Calgary, appreciate the opportunity they are being given, and have high character reviews.

All part of the culture shift we've seen. He had to turn around an aircraft carrier and he has made serious headway in that department.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Why aren't you including his other NHL year's totals?



total: 29gp 1G 6A 7P

I imagine because these are his most recent stats for comparable.

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[keenan87]

At the end of the day, I think it is fair to say the deal is at least a little underwhelming for most Flames fans. However, it seems that it was the best offer on the market for Hanifin.

I am just happy that Conroy continued to make deals for futures versus a desperate attempt on getting another random top 4 dman.

This is what most of us (including myself) have been hoping for. We are trading players for picks and prospects and can't control the market. Just need to continue staying on this track and see if we can get another Top 10 pick this season.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Weekes thinks Hanifin will sign for 8 years at ~$7M with Vegas

Its so weird that he didnt get traded as a signed player. If this was the return for a signed Hanifin, oof. But it seems like rental price

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

You are not quite correct here, as posted in the other post.

If you are saying Iggy was more highly regarded after he was traded, this is of course true, but not fair to say he was not highly regarded when he was traded.

I mean the latter. He was a good junior player when traded. But Newy was an elite player and it wasn't clear that Iggy was at all. But the next season it was obvious that it was a great trade.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I mean the latter. He was a good junior player when traded. But Newy was an elite player and it wasn't clear that Iggy was at all. But the next season it was obvious that it was a great trade.

Not even the next season. It was like a couple weeks. Iggy dominated the WJC just weeks after being traded

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Its so weird that he didnt get traded as a signed player. If this was the return for a signed Hanifin, oof. But it seems like rental price

Why would he sign with the trade to make his new team weaker because he was worth more in the trade as a signed player?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Not even the next season. It was like a couple weeks. Iggy dominated the WJC just weeks after being traded

Yeah I undersold him there, plus he was midway through his big junior season at the trade time, which was Dec. 20. 95, right before the 96 WJCs, as you say (what an odd time for a trade).