[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What is Friedman getting paid to do PR work for the Flames?

Maybe you should just put him on ignore.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

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Originally Posted by kevman

I can't help but agree with the other poster that said Calgary's competitive window is likely 2030 or beyond.

If so, the 2026 pick will come in handy.

If it's a high pic, and the player is ready to crack the line up in 2026/27, they'll be up for resigning after the 28/29 season when the Kadri money is available.

If it's a late pic, and the player takes a season or two to mature before cracking the line up, they'll be up for resigning after the 30/31 season when the Huberdeau money is available.

As a bonus, in the off chance Calgary is competitive in 3 years, we'll need the 2026 first rounder on an ELC to help overcome those previously mentioned contracts.

This is going to be a long and bumpy road before the Flames ice anything close to competitive again.

There are always surprises. So much fortune (with picks) plays into it as well as how trades pan out with younger players that I don't think you can nail down any kind of timeline with any certainty.

If we say 2030 though, at least we're giving ourselves runway to be pleasantly surprised along the way.

Take the last rebuild, for example. Feaster arguably did much worse with his tear down trade returns and the team saw playoffs 2 years later.

[Plaedo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Still see this as a bad deal, no way to spin it. The fact that Conroy accepted the ridiculous number of conditions is the part that makes this hurt the most. All control in this deal was/is in Vegas' court. For Christ sake, the only pick in this deal that holds no conditions is the one that goes to Philadelphia for retention! Las Vegas still has potential to trade a pick that they have already traded to us. Let that sink in. Conroy gave the Knights the ability to use the very pick he traded "the best available defenseman at the deadline" for to make another deal, which may result in another team getting a better deal than the Flames. I mean, what just happened?

I would have been happy if he came away with solid assets and not conditional ones. Even ones years out like these look they are going to be. The conditions are just batty and joke to be honest. The conditions weaken the Flames position at each turn, which is just poor value when you look at the whole deal. Flames retain, and don't get anything of value. No additional pick nor quality prospect. The primary return are conditional picks where Vegas gets opportunity to leverage those picks for greater return with the Flames receiving anything of value. The "prospect" returned would not make any prospect list of value as the player has already aged out. The "prospect" is 23 weeks younger than the guy he was traded for. That's not a prospect. That's not value. I really don't see how anyone could consider this anything but a terrible return and a young GM being worked over.

I don't disagree with much of what you said. However, I will add my perspective. The way I see it, Conroy is now in the flipping business in the runway leading up to our true contention window. Miromanov could be an easy candidate for a boosted value due to play time and usage and then flip for more assets that better align with our forecasted window.

[Igottago]

I don't think its unreasonable to think this return seems a little light, given Hanafin was touted all year as a top end D men just hitting his stride (having a career year). Yes, a pending UFA, but a very good player.
However, I'm still on board with what Conroy is doing overall, and I like the overall body of work in terms of asset management.
The risk for the Flames is, yes they've got all these additional assets and picks now, but some of those have to yield players as good or better than the ones that have left the franchise. You don't really want to be constantly trading the best pieces of the deal and not having the returns flourish to the same level. Time will tell.
I do think the Flames are in for a few pretty bad years, so they should get some higher draft picks along the way as well. Feels like the rebuild has officially arrived.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Don't you ever get tired of looking at something through a negative lens?

I trust my own judgment enough to not immediately pull a 180 once the details come out and he goes from throw-in to centerpiece, if that's what you mean. He's a 26 year old tweener, which I said from minute one, and that hasn't changed. Stop worrying about what I think, I don't pester you about what you think just because I don't always agree.

[Wastedyouth]

Lol. Friedman gains nothing by saying that. Why would he carry water for the Flames management.

The mental gymnastics to dislike the trade is fun to watch.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What is Friedman getting paid to do PR work for the Flames?

Favours! You just can't put enough value on those.

/s

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I trust my own judgment enough to not immediately pull a 180 once the details come out and he goes from throw-in to centerpiece, if that's what you mean. He's a 26 year old tweener, which I said from minute one, and that hasn't changed. Stop worrying about what I think, I don't pester you about what you think just because I don't always agree.

Here's the thing....he isn't just a "throw in".

He obviously was a guy they liked (they have certainly seen him play enough) as evidenced by immediately extending him for 2 years.

Now you, I and others may not agree with what they did or who they targeted, but you can be sure that Conroy and his staff had their convictions about the return and stuck to them. Like every deal ever, time will tell if they were right or not, but in this case they got a guy they clearly feel will be a player for them.

I want them to do that on every single trade ever.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Here's the thing....he isn't just a "throw in".

He obviously was a guy they liked (they have certainly seen him play enough) as evidenced by immediately extending him for 2 years.

Now you, I and others may not agree with what they did or who they targeted, but you can be sure that Conroy and his staff had their convictions about the return and stuck to them. Like every deal ever, time will tell if they were right or not, but in this case they got a guy they clearly feel will be a player for them.

I want them to do that on every single trade ever.

Agreed on all points would also add that we forget a defencemen prime is 26 and above. With a couple of years of injuries and transition to defence we really may have a diamond in the rough. Nothing wrong with his attitude thats for sure. He has size a shot and skating to his benefit.

Will trust conny on this one if he turns into a solid four thats a huge win.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hopefully it becomes a 2026 lottery pick and a 2nd with the player becoming a Flames regular. This thread would be a great bump at that point.

I have a feeling this gets a bump many times as the three pieces turn this trade into a better and better deal for us...

He is recovering from knee surgery. His NHL numbers reflect such. AHL numbers are excellent. AHL all star.

Buying low again...Conman at work.

May allow Weegar to stay on left side of Andersson pairing as well so. Kylington/Pachal 2nd pair.

He is quite offensively minded so might be more the offensive catalyst on the 3rd pair with Hanley who is defensive minded. Expect him to see some PP time.

Our D might not be as horrible as we expect.

[Naitix]

Idk why people are clowning on Conroy for conditions on the first rounder. The 25 and 26 drafts are better and deeper than 24, those picks are more valuable. You also don’t want to have too many first round picks in the same year, there is more of a chance all the guys the scouts liked are gone by the third Flames first round pick and you are picking a guy you could have had in the second round.

Additionally, the conditions are very favourable to the Flames, if Vegas trades 25 pick then we get an UNPROTECTED 26 pick. With Vegas being one of the older teams in the league, with injury history, with no prospects and no picks, there is a good chance they are outside of playoffs in 2026.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

I have a feeling this gets a bump many times as the three pieces turn this trade into a better and better deal for us...

He is recovering from knee surgery. His NHL numbers reflect such. AHL numbers are excellent. AHL all star.

Buying low again...Conman at work.

May allow Weegar to stay on left side of Andersson pairing as well so. Kylington/Pachal 2nd pair.

He is quite offensively minded so might be more the offensive catalyst on the 3rd pair with Hanley who is defensive minded. Expect him to see some PP time.

Our D might not be as horrible as we expect.

Can't argue that the Flames are buying low on him, and I will admit that there could be some untapped potential that could work out better than expected.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If they wind up getting the 2025 1st, I could see it being in the teens.

[kobasew19]

Plus we get to cheer for a team in the playoffs! Playoff hockey woot!

[Salt Water Cowboy #10]

Sort of related, 27 year old Gustav Forsling just signed his 8 year extension with Florida $46 million. Similar numbers and age to Hanifin. Hanifin was offered way more and still wanted out. Hanifin can beat it. And I’m fine with the return. He’s a whiner not a winner, and a bit over rated here in my books.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'd like to know what people are seeing in Miromanov to make him this sought after d-man.

Tall, still room to fill out, right shot, offensive acumen

Most likely it's Eric Francis blowing smoke though.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Tall, still room to fill out, right shot, offensive acumen

Most likely it's Eric Francis blowing smoke though.

He's 26. The only filling out he'll be doing would be to get fat.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Idk why people are clowning on Conroy for conditions on the first rounder. The 25 and 26 drafts are better and deeper than 24, those picks are more valuable. You also don’t want to have too many first round picks in the same year, there is more of a chance all the guys the scouts liked are gone by the third Flames first round pick and you are picking a guy you could have had in the second round.

Additionally, the conditions are very favourable to the Flames, if Vegas trades 25 pick then we get an UNPROTECTED 26 pick. With Vegas being one of the older teams in the league, with injury history, with no prospects and no picks, there is a good chance they are outside of playoffs in 2026.

Out of thanks, so thanks! 100% agree.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

That is interesting. Conroy has clearly targeted D-men buried in organizations that are deep at the position. Might be some found money

Pahal
Grushnikov
Miromanov

Dmen buried on depth charts don't typically turn into foundational pieces.

[Knut]

Flames should have simply asked for more in the deal.