[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Sean Walker got an unprotected first.
Both Hanifin and Tanev didn’t.

Lindholm got more than both D combined.
Absolutely crazy.

Walker did not get an unprotected first.

Johansson got them the first.

[RedHot25]

Did anyone catch what Leslie said re markstrom? I was in and out. But gave me impression of.... anything could happen? Although like I said I only caught disjointed bits.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Because of Conroy's eye for talent, I do have to say that I'm intrigued by Miromanov. The prospect reports make it sound like Miromanov has a lot of unmined potential.

Yup. Very intrigued. Seemed to be the piece that swayed Conman to pull the trigger.

If he can stay healthy...curious to see his cannon for a shot. I have missed that since Stone retired.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

Vegas to win first round, then IDGAF.
Dallas to win for Tanev + extra pick.
Vancouver can piss off.

More specifically I think we need ...

Vancouver to hold off Edmonton and secure the 1st spot in the Pacific, Edmonton plays Vegas in the first round and loses, Vancouver and Dallas meet in the conference final and the Canucks go to the finals.

[Ped]

Not here at all to criticize Conroy, who has probably done as good a job as you could expect given the situation and has taken in some real assets.


But imo, saying "obviously he got the best deal he could get" is not an actual valid defense. You could say that with any GM, including Dim Jim and Mike Milbury and Peter Chiarelli. Because it may not be the best deal, but the best deal in the judgement of the GM. The GM could be very wrong in his assessment on what he's taking in.


Conroy took flack for the Toffoli trade, but Sharky has turned out pretty well. And clearly with Miromanov, the Flames are looking for young-ish guys with potential still that have fallen through the cracks with their former teams. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.


But I think it is absolutely fair to wonder about a GM's talent assessment if trades don't go well. It's too early of course, to know for sure, but just because this is the best deal according to Conroy, doesn't mean it was actually the best deal.


Everyone wants to judge trades immediately. This one, like all of Conroy's thus far, will take some time.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jg13

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin all gone before the evening of Friday March 8th.

That alone is a major win in my books and Conroy deserves some credit.

With the one tiny caveat that they reportedly tried to sign three of them.

But expert planning or falling backwards into plan B they're in a better spot!

[Freddy]

If Miromanov can show even remotely as well as Sharangovich, Greer, Pachal have contributed so far I’m excited for his acquisition.

[dirk diggler]

i feel Conroy has been dealt a tough hand due to the mismanagement of this team by the "wizard". Treliving left this team in a bad spot and it will take a while to start to go forward. Conroy is doing exactly what he said he would do, trade UFA's and play young guys. I hope Treliving makes a "hamonic" type of trade in the next few days

[8sPOT]

I think getting any assets at all for a pending UFA is a major positive for this franchise. Beggars can’t be choosers and the Flames were definitely the beggar in this scenario.

[delayedreflex]

It would have been good if Conroy could have added a condition to add an additional pick (or picks) if Hanifin resigns. Eg. If Hanifin re-signs with Vegas, they send us an additional 1st rounder or 2x seconds. This really protects both the buyer and the seller by ensuring the acquisition cost for a pure rental is reasonable while allowing for fair compensation to the selling team in the event of an extension. And perhaps most importantly, it placates a fan base that goes nuts over the low returns that a pure rental player can get.

[rogermexico]

You can't put conditions on players signing or re-signing. CBA doesn't allow it.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

More specifically I think we need ...

Vancouver to hold off Edmonton and secure the 1st spot in the Pacific, Edmonton plays Vegas in the first round and loses, Vancouver and Dallas meet in the conference final and the Canucks go to the finals.

I would prefer that Vancouver loses out in the first two rounds and the final 4 teams are all teams that were lower than the Canucks in the standings. That would move up the 1st round pick by 4 spots which is worth more than the 4th to a 3rd imo.

[Jiffy Loob]

Despite what feels like an underwhelming return Conroy is following through on a long term plan and it’s incredibly refreshing. Instead of plugging holes on a sinking ship, we’re building a new boat with a new identity. Excited to see Connie continue to build.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by rogermexico

You can't put conditions on players signing or re-signing. CBA doesn't allow it.

Ah I didn’t know that, thanks for the info. It really makes it tough for teams to nail down a fair price for a player then with the uncertainty of being able to resign a player. Really makes me dislike Hanifin’s agent if the rumours of how this went down are true, as normally there wouldn’t be so much certainty of a player being a pure rental, especially for a city like Vegas.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Still see this as a bad deal, no way to spin it. The fact that Conroy accepted the ridiculous number of conditions is the part that makes this hurt the most. All control in this deal was/is in Vegas' court. For Christ sake, the only pick in this deal that holds no conditions is the one that goes to Philadelphia for retention! Las Vegas still has potential to trade a pick that they have already traded to us. Let that sink in. Conroy gave the Knights the ability to use the very pick he traded "the best available defenseman at the deadline" for to make another deal, which may result in another team getting a better deal than the Flames. I mean, what just happened?

I would have been happy if he came away with solid assets and not conditional ones. Even ones years out like these look they are going to be. The conditions are just batty and joke to be honest. The conditions weaken the Flames position at each turn, which is just poor value when you look at the whole deal. Flames retain, and don't get anything of value. No additional pick nor quality prospect. The primary return are conditional picks where Vegas gets opportunity to leverage those picks for greater return with the Flames receiving anything of value. The "prospect" returned would not make any prospect list of value as the player has already aged out. The "prospect" is 23 weeks younger than the guy he was traded for. That's not a prospect. That's not value. I really don't see how anyone could consider this anything but a terrible return and a young GM being worked over.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's a pretty snappy judgement for a new general manager in a set market with players he has to move.

If GM X decides to move a player with term to make his team better but makes it worse ... it's easy to judge. He wasn't forced to make a move. He made his team worse than it was.

But a GM having to move assets in a market defined by supply, demand, cap space, and in this instance an agent that eliminates 90% of the trade pool I think that's a silly judgement.

Unless you are thinking other teams offered way more and Conroy was to stupid to recognize a better package.

I think it’s really weird every time this argument comes up. Do I think he took a worse deal on purpose? Obviously not, because nobody in the entire world would think that. He’s probably just bad at assessing value in his deals, is bad at negotiating, or has a poor eye for talent.

Feaster was terrible at trades too, but he of course always took the best deal available. Doesn’t change the perception though, does it?

I don’t know why you among others feel the need to police people’s opinions, like calling a spade a spade is somehow way out there. Everyone outside of CalPuck is calling this deal an L for the Flames. Mysteriously, this Russian no-name went from a contract throw-in before we knew the return, to intriguing young player with upside after. Wonder what changed? When you look around the general opinion of Conroy is that he’s gotten mediocre to poor returns on his trades. It’s not just me who believes this. And even if it were, why do you care so much? Does me not liking Conroy’s moves as a GM bother you that much?

[Always Earned Never Given]

Be nice if this Miromanov guy turns into Dustin Byfuglien lite.

Both big bodies, right shots that switched from forward to playing D.

[Roof-Daddy]

Lol the conditions are way overblown.

It's a 1st and a 3rd

We just don't know if the 1st is in 2025 or 2026 and the 3rd might actually improve to a 2nd.

We'll literally know the exact return without conditions in like two months lol

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Also I will mention that I really like the fact Conroy is prioritizing guys the scouting department likes, regardless of nationality/pedigree. Multiple Russians picked up in Kuzmenko and Miromanov, and even going back to the 2023 draft, I recall the flames showing interest in Michkov. This has certainly not always been the case for the flames and has handicapped them in terms of talent in the past.

I wonder if now is a safer time to pick up Russian players, without having to worry about them heading back home. Circumstances in Russia really aren't the greatest.right now.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by rogermexico

You can't put conditions on players signing or re-signing. CBA doesn't allow it.

didnt Ottawa get an additional pick once Karlson resigned in SJ?