[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Clearly many weren't here when Flames dealt HOF'er Jarome Iginla for 28th pick and two plugs. This is a Kings ransom compared to the Iginla trade. Or the Bouwmeester trade.
Is it a home run? Nope
It's OK

Or when Gaudreau left for SFA

[Huntingwhale]

After sleeping on it, I am fine and whelmed with the trade. The alternate is Hanifin walking to UFA day, and clearly that was unacceptable. Let's say the team for some reason let that happen, but managed to trade his rights the day before UFA day. We'd all be calling that a win, so the fact this happened a few months before doesn't change it for me.

Is it the home run Lindholm-esque trade we all wanted? Hell no. But that's on us ppl here for putting expectations like that and laughing at insiders like Frank who told us to calm our tits. Instead, most of us crapped all over Frank, when he's been right the past few times regarding Tanev and now Hanifin. Anyone going to eat crow in hindsight? There's a few dishes to go around.

Hanifin and his agent played dirty, and it's a lesson to learn going forward. Obviously the other teams involved had worse deals, and I can understand not waiting for TDL day, as it's probable that Vegas gave notice that they aren't waiting until TDL and the deal was off the table by then since they'd go another route. If we truly want to rebuild, which seems the route the Flames (thankfully) are headed, 2026 > 2025 first rounder, by far. I am fine with that. Hoping Vegas decides to load up and let their 2025 pick go by TDL.

After witnessing countless Flames UFAs walk away for nothing over the past few decades, I am fine with this return for what is clearly a rental. Don't really care the Flames had to retain, so what? ~20ish games of Hanifin for this deal is fine IMO.

[memphusk]

The most exciting part is Calgary didn't overpay Hanifin to stay. He will still go 3-4 his life away in mediocrity .

[kobasew19]

Watch Hanifin doesn't extend with Vegas and signs with one of the Florida teams in the summer. The deal for a rental is fair imo.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I think the direction is a home run though, so I’m pumped that they’ve shipped out all the UFAs (and room problems) and stocked up on picks while taking a few chances on buried roster players.

There's clearly a plan to pump youth into the system with 10 picks coming in the first 3 rounds of the next two drafts. This is a lot of ammo.

If the scouting staff can hit on even 3-4 of these decent picks, this team's pipeline is going to be stacked with talent unlike we have ever seen as Flames fans.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Several dozen scouts have watched him over the last month or so and this was the best offer. Tells you all you need to know about how Hanifin was valued league wide. Nothing about Hanifin's game screams playoff performer.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I think the direction is a home run though, so I’m pumped that they’ve shipped out all the UFAs (and room problems) and stocked up on picks while taking a few chances on buried roster players.

I agree. Selling rentals is pretty straight forward. Just get market price, good or bad.

But to really evaluate the direction, we'll have to see if the team trades Markstrom.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

There's clearly a plan to pump youth into the system with 10 picks coming in the first 3 rounds of the next two drafts. This is a lot of ammo.

If the scouting staff can hit on even 3-4 of these decent picks, this team's pipeline is going to be stacked with talent unlike we have ever seen as Flames fans.

except for those of us who are old

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

This is such a silly take. GM’s don’t negotiate one to one. There’s a whole team on each side crunching numbers and making valuations. The fact Conroy is new to the role had no bearing on what he was offered.

Any team that thought Hanifin was worth more than the Vegas offer could have had Hanifin. The fact no team offered more means no team valued him higher. It would be idiotic of a team to pass on a player they liked at the cost they were willing to part with because they were playing games with the opposing GM.

Out of thanks, but this is exactly right.

If you are only negotiating with one team, then it is very possible to get taken. But when you have an asset, and there are multiple bidders, you are going to get market. Vegas paid what they paid, and you could argue that they might have been willing to pay more, however, no other team was willing to pay more than that. Other teams aren't out to take Conroy to the cleaners here, it's a bidding war. So they have one decision: get the player, or don't. Either they are willing to pay more than Vegas, or they are not.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by kobasew19

Watch Hanifin doesn't extend with Vegas and signs with one of the Florida teams in the summer. The deal for a rental is fair imo.

This is probably what happens. However, if I was TBay I’d be much less sure today than I was 2 days ago about that. Letting one of the newest most exciting organizations roster this guy for the playoff push and playoffs…. They could easily win him over.

Tkachuk was obviously a very different situation (status, ability, open to multiple teams), but Florida had no interest in ####ing around with that. They wanted him, so they pulled the trigger in a big way. If you want a player, you have to act accordingly. All the “taking advantage of a young GM” nonsense is hilarious, like the guy hasn’t been in the league for decades, and like the buying GMs aren’t competing amongst themselves.

[CliffFletcher]

The addition of Miromanov gives me hope that the Flames aren’t planning on going big game hunting in free agency. With Kylington re-signed, Miromanov pencilled in to the starting lineup, and Solovyoz, Poirier, and Grushnikov pushing for a spot, the Flames are probably only looking at singing one depth D in UFA.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by traptor

Conroy got worked pretty hard here. The conditions are abit demeaning.
Monahan got a comparable return...

I would feel alot better if it was a 2024 1st or 2025 1st + 2nd


Oh well it was still better then re-signing him.

I hope this team is very honest with themselves and what they are over the next few years.

Why exactly?

Not only is 2024 a mediocre draft, but they already have 2 1sts and 2 2nds in 2024. This spreads things out a bit, which I think is better.

It also creates the opportunity that the picks turn out to be more valuable.

"Conroy got worked" is just a bad take.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I agree. Selling rentals is pretty straight forward. Just get market price, good or bad.

But to really evaluate the direction, we'll have to see if the team trades Markstrom.

Well unfortunately for us that hasn’t been straight forward for this franchise before this year.

[OldSam]

Maybe if TB hadn't given away their 1st rounders from here to eternity, they might be putting a name bar on a jersey for Noah right now. Conny wanted a first rounder. TBQH, none of us know what went on here, except to watch Hansfin's value plummet because an 8 team no-trade became only a 1 team where I want to go list. And that team had zero to offer. I won't be angry at Conroy.

[PeteMoss]

With all of these guys being traded so far - there was a deadline where its basically trade or get nothing.

So there's basically 3 reasons to hate the return:
1) Conroy is a bonehead and accepted an offer that was much worse than someone else offered
2) Other GMs are boneheads and when Conroy requested final offers, they all short-changed their offers and got beat by a bad offer they could have easily beat but they were waiting to offer it
3) Conroy preferred return doesn't match 'posters' preferred return but its a debatable.

(1) and (2) I find hard to believe, (3) is possible but its also likely a small enough difference that it comes down to personal choice.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Still see this as a bad deal, no way to spin it. The fact that Conroy accepted the ridiculous number of conditions is the part that makes this hurt the most. All control in this deal was/is in Vegas' court. For Christ sake, the only pick in this deal that holds no conditions is the one that goes to Philadelphia for retention! Las Vegas still has potential to trade a pick that they have already traded to us. Let that sink in. Conroy gave the Knights the ability to use the very pick he traded "the best available defenseman at the deadline" for to make another deal, which may result in another team getting a better deal than the Flames. I mean, what just happened?

I would have been happy if he came away with solid assets and not conditional ones. Even ones years out like these look they are going to be. The conditions are just batty and joke to be honest. The conditions weaken the Flames position at each turn, which is just poor value when you look at the whole deal. Flames retain, and don't get anything of value. No additional pick nor quality prospect. The primary return are conditional picks where Vegas gets opportunity to leverage those picks for greater return with the Flames receiving anything of value. The "prospect" returned would not make any prospect list of value as the player has already aged out. The "prospect" is 23 weeks younger than the guy he was traded for. That's not a prospect. That's not value. I really don't see how anyone could consider this anything but a terrible return and a young GM being worked over.

If Vegas leverages the pick to allow another team to get a better deal (questionable logic at best) that trade will theoretically allow the Flames to get a better pick in another part of this deal (as long as Vegas does not trade the 2025 1st for futures).

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why exactly?

Not only is 2024 a mediocre draft, but they already have 2 1sts and 2 2nds in 2024. This spreads things out a bit, which I think is better.

It also creates the opportunity that the picks turn out to be more valuable.

"Conroy got worked" is just a bad take.

The next challenge for Conroy is to properly value the 'new' 1st round picks. GMs have a tendency to be more loosey goosey with acquired first round picks vs their own. Don't want to start chucking them around because you've got extra picks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why exactly?

Not only is 2024 a mediocre draft, but they already have 2 1sts and 2 2nds in 2024. This spreads things out a bit, which I think is better.

It also creates the opportunity that the picks turn out to be more valuable.

"Conroy got worked" is just a bad take.

Other than instant gratification or a clearly superior draft like 2023, I don't understand the rationale behind getting fussed over an upcoming draft versus two years down the road, especially at the very beginning of a rebuild. Same applies to lottery protection - if a team is in the lottery this year and keeps its pick it will probably be in next year as well and its pick will be unprotected.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If Vegas leverages the pick to allow another team to get a better deal (questionable logic at best) that trade will theoretically allow the Flames to get a better pick in another part of this deal (as long as Vegas does not trade the 2025 1st for futures).

Hopefully Vegas uses the pick to get a player to push them over the top in a first round matchup against Edmonton. But then because they overextended so much, crash and burn into a 1OA for 2026. Win, win, win.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why are the conditions embarrassing? I think they could actually work out for the better if things play out in certain ways.

Conroy worked them on the conditions. Sure, trade the first if it means that our 3rd has a better chance to become a 2nd. Sure, once you have traded your futures we will roll the dice on how you do with an older lineup in 25/26 and have no conditions on that pick.