I keep reading how the "conditional first" is such a deal breaker and I keep wondering if those posters understand how the conditions are actually quite in flames favour the longer the 1rst gets booted.
no thanks but thanks...not to mention Vegas aren't exactly spring chickens
Sounds like his hands were kind of tied on this one because of some ****stain agent. Not quite as fun as the Lindholm deal, but as long as the team keeps loading up for a while we can make it up on the next one.
I’m not shocked at the underwhelming return. Didn’t Boomer say that he got word it was gonna be underwhelming on Barn Burner?
What was so underwhelming?
They got a 1rst and a 2-3rd + contract back. The conditions for the first are overwhelming in favour of the flames despite some posters comprehensions. I'm so tired of reading Conroy got worked because conditions but the conditions completely favour the flamesl
They got a 1rst and a 2-3rd + contract back. The conditions for the first are overwhelming in favour of the flames despite some posters comprehensions. I'm so tired of reading Conroy got worked because conditions but the conditions completely favour the flamesl
True enough. By the beginning of May, we could be looking at a 2nd in 2025 and an unprotected 1st in 2026. That's a big step up from a 3rd and a protected 1st, even if the picks are a year later.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I also think Miromanov could be a handy placeholder on D for the next two years. TheScorpion thinks he may pop, Conroy likes him, and he looks to me like someone who would make a good point man on the power play. It will, at any rate, be entertaining to find out.
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They got a 1rst and a 2-3rd + contract back. The conditions for the first are overwhelming in favour of the flames despite some posters comprehensions. I'm so tired of reading Conroy got worked because conditions but the conditions completely favour the flamesl
Or it should have just been a 1st round pick in one of the years with no conditions, and a 2nd with no conditions, and Miramanov.. The conditions favour Vegas.
Or it should have just been a 1st round pick in one of the years with no conditions, and a 2nd with no conditions, and Miramanov.. The conditions favour Vegas.
As I just pointed out, that's exactly what it's liable to be before this year's playoffs are half finished.
The condition on the 1st is so unusual, it's obvious that it was tailored for a specific purpose. I expect the Knights will do their damnedest to use that pick this week for an immediate upgrade, in which case the unprotected '26 1st will be locked in. And that upgrade will significantly increase their chances of winning a round and triggering the other condition.
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Or it should have just been a 1st round pick in one of the years with no conditions, and a 2nd with no conditions, and Miramanov.. The conditions favour Vegas.
Why do the conditions favour vegas?
Its clearly a lower pick than 20 this year.
Next year could be better than 20 if they drop off but why not trade for 2026 unconditonal? That does not seem like a drop off?
Or it should have just been a 1st round pick in one of the years with no conditions, and a 2nd with no conditions, and Miramanov.. The conditions favour Vegas.
I find it weird when people say what Conroy “should have” gotten. Like he looked at a deal and said no no please add more restrictions. His hands were tied with a deadline of 48 hours. Yes he could’ve waited till the last minute, maybe he extracts a second instead of the conditional second. But there’s also the possibility he gets left holding the bag or having to take even less. Maybe if he waits till Friday, Vegas says they’ll take their chances in signing him this summer, but are willing to give a protected 2026.
All we know is Conroy took what he viewed as the best deal for Hanifin. Now let’s move on
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Hanifin was not getting two firsts. Every team knows the Flames have to trade him. He has an expiring contract. He is willimg to play for a limited number of teams. He's a great top for defender, but not a legit top pairing guy on a competitive team.
A lot of unrealistic views in here about what a rebuild actually entails. It's not as easy as flipping your roster for every other teams top prospects.
A lot of unrealistic views in here about what a rebuild actually entails. It's not as easy as flipping your roster for every other teams top prospects.
I think some posters keep thinking back to the Nieuwendyk for Iginla deal, and expecting something like that to happen again.
But that was never in the cards. Iginla was a top prospect, all right, but the Stars didn't exactly trade him for strops. They got a former Calder Trophy winner and future Hall of Famer, who scored over 500 goals in his career. Hanifin is an excellent player, but he's no Nieuwendyk.
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I keep reading how the "conditional first" is such a deal breaker and I keep wondering if those posters understand how the conditions are actually quite in flames favour the longer the 1rst gets booted.
Not that the 2024 pick is in play for flames but I would take that over the 2025 first. They are not healthy right now and after a long playoff run last year I don’t think they are going to fair well this playoffs.
I personally think if they are healthy for 2025 they will do much better in the standings . I don’t see anyway that the top 10 protected even matters.
2026 is unprotected . This could be the wild card. Some core members 2 years older. I don’t believe they will be in cap hell because they have a bunch of players coming off the books by then. The other problem is Vegas is basically becoming rangers of the west . They seem to attract players no matter what. It would be great if they plummet but I can easily see them staying relevant and being in the <20 zone that year.
As I just pointed out, that's exactly what it's liable to be before this year's playoffs are half finished.
The condition on the 1st is so unusual, it's obvious that it was tailored for a specific purpose. I expect the Knights will do their damnedest to use that pick this week for an immediate upgrade, in which case the unprotected '26 1st will be locked in. And that upgrade will significantly increase their chances of winning a round and triggering the other condition.
Or they have no intention of using it. You may be right, they may use it, then again Vegas could easily go out in the first round.
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I find it weird when people say what Conroy “should have” gotten. Like he looked at a deal and said no no please add more restrictions. His hands were tied with a deadline of 48 hours. Yes he could’ve waited till the last minute, maybe he extracts a second instead of the conditional second. But there’s also the possibility he gets left holding the bag or having to take even less. Maybe if he waits till Friday, Vegas says they’ll take their chances in signing him this summer, but are willing to give a protected 2026.
All we know is Conroy took what he viewed as the best deal for Hanifin. Now let’s move on
I find it weird when people come into a trade thread discussing the trade that just occurred and tell people not to discuss it.
No one is saying this wasn't the best offer he's gotten. I'm sure it was, it just wasn't great. I don't think the return was necessarily horrible. Retaining plus giving those conditions seems a little much.
If you don't want to discuss the trade and want to move on then feel free to do that.
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Or they have no intention of using it. You may be right, they may use it, then again Vegas could easily go out in the first round.
If they have no intention of using it, why did they ask for such a weirdly specific condition? As far as I know, nobody has ever traded a draft pick with a condition that kicked in immediately after that year's trade deadline.
I think the Knights do plan on trading that pick, but if that doesn't pan out, plan B is to give it to the Flames instead of an unprotected pick in '26.
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If they have no intention of using it, why did they ask for such a weirdly specific condition? As far as I know, nobody has ever traded a draft pick with a condition that kicked in immediately after that year's trade deadline.
I think the Knights do plan on trading that pick, but if that doesn't pan out, plan B is to give it to the Flames instead of an unprotected pick in '26.
I don't really see the difference. Would a team they are trading with really see a huge difference between a 2025 1st rounder or a 2026? The Flames didn't.
If they offered Calgary a 2026 1st round pick with no conditions they still make the trade.
First off - happy that the team has committed to a full rebuild. You can sell Markstrom, you can keep Markstrom - either way this thing has been burnt to the ground. The only difference is whether or not we will have a top 5 pick next year or in 2 years. If it's in two years it will just take longer before the team is good again.
I also agree that the rebuild success will depend on the teams own top picks. It will be the success of the top 5 picks that build the foundation.
Outside of that, we have a bunch of magic beans, some draft picks, some projects. Best case scenario, you get another 1st rounder for Ygor in a year and you get another 1st or 2nd for this Russian prospect in two years.
Would everyone have felt better if we got a 2025 1st, 2026 conditional 1st/2nd and a conditional 2nd/3rd?
Most optimistically the trade chain here could turn this into Backlund, Andersson & Regehr. At worst we just got Poirier/Klimchuk/Wotherspoon.
Either way I am excited because there is a rebirth to look forward to.
Will say...those on the Edward's doesn't pay retention for assets have another example to hang their hat on...
Are the same people saying this is a **** return the same ones that said Conroy got boned with the Toffoli deal? Guess some of you like the taste of crow.
