[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[Bonded]

The only way you can be really mad at this return is if you were expecting Lundell.
I was hoping for a 1st and good prospect, thought it would be a 1st, B prospect, and another pick. So missed on the B prospect

[FlamesFan1000]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

give me that Markstrom deal...

Yea, don't be disappointed when all we get is 2025 NJD first

[ComixZone]

…all the negative Nelly’s gonna eat some crow in 2026 when the VGK pick ends up getting us Joe Iginla.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Knowing the result of this trade, I'd have liked a 1st back for Tanev, if there was a suitor not named Edmonton (i.e. the Johansen + 1st rumoured from Colorado)

Hopefully Grusch is good

Any 1st round pick is better than a late sexond round pick. Oiler's fisrt + Ceci as a cap dump would've been better than what the Flames got from the Stars. At least Hanifin netted a conditional 1st rounder in this next 2 years. Just gotta see what the Flames can get with their draft picks. Sucks that the Flames seem to miss the boat at the right times.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

This trade was bad, there's no way to sugar-coat it. When you don't get more for Hanifin as Anaheim got for rental Henrique and barely more than Philly did for rental Walker, you didn't do very well.

Yes, Conroy's hands were tied. You can blame Tre for giving Hanifin a NMC, blame Brisson for tampering, or whatever. But at the end of the day, an experienced agent and other GMs took advantage of a rookie GM. An experienced GM would never allow an agent to meddle like this, have all sorts of info leaked about where Hanifin wants to go, etc. I can't see any other GM allowing the kind of noise around this team as we've seen recently. We've been praising Conroy for holding steady, but honestly, a bunch of experienced hockey people just outwaited him and exerted outside pressure until all Conroy could do was accept the best pile of crap from the crap basket.

That said, I'm glad we got at least something for Noah. I maintain the opinion that the best way to build a sustainable winner is through the draft, and the best way to get high draft picks is by being an awful team. Hoping for Vegas to tank in 2026 is a pipe dream. Having a compete #### team ourselves is the best route to go, and we are well on our way. Team Tank is finally going to win here.

I really like Conroy as a human being and also as a GM. He's the kind of persuasive personality that's finally convinced ownership to rebuild. I'm thrilled about that. And if finally, this allows us to bottom out and draft a few top-3 players, I consider that a win.

But there's very little to praise Conroy about this specific trade. We got what we got and I'll take it, but it's not good. I strongly disagree with anyone trying to spin this trade as a win for us.

You can at least be honest with your take...the Flames did indeed get more than Anaheim

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because when the best D man is still there and it is crunch time that is when you get the best return. There would definitely still be a market for Noah Hanifin on Friday.

A market made of teams with no firsts in 2024 or 2025

[Flames67]

Big picture I’m super pleased with what Conroy has been able to convert four UFA’s
Into, but underwhelmed with this specific deal.

Move on, we got better long term today.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan1000

Yea, don't be disappointed when all we get is 2025 NJD first

That would be AWESOME!

He’s a 34 year old goalie who sewered our BoA in the playoffs and murdered our 2022/2023 season.

Getting a 1st for a goalie is a good return.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Who's excited to see all the new Dmen? Is it weird that I kind of am? Hopefully a couple pop. Lord knows there is a lot of opportunity there now.

Pachal has been really good so far. As long as one of the other two keeps Oesterle of the ice I’ll be happy.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because when the best D man is still there and it is crunch time that is when you get the best return. There would definitely still be a market for Noah Hanifin on Friday.

But it the teams already made their moves then the market would be smaller. Not sure how you can be so definitive. Teams still need to be cap compliant after deadline day and if assets were moved then they'd have less assets to offer.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Steinberg just said Conroy is not going to be available again until after the TDL hits.

Pat speculates more is happening…?

man trade Markstrom before he forgets how to stop a beachball for 16 months again

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The only way you can be really mad at this return is if you were expecting Lundell.
I was hoping for a 1st and good prospect, thought it would be a 1st, B prospect, and another pick. So missed on the B prospect

I reported earlier in the day Lundell was not in play. I was hoping that rumoured TB package was a thing though. That is the way it goes, not everything heard pans out.

[AC]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Only thing I’m disappointed in is Conroy’s impatience. I think this deal or something very similar is at the very least still available Friday. Only, I feel like waiting would increase the odds of obtaining a better package.

Maybe. In theory it seems like forcing the rest of the league to wait until the last minute to try and increase the best offer is easy, but I really doubt it works like that when it's a game of musical chairs.

For example, what if Vegas tells Conroy this was the most they were willing to part with and if they can't agree now they can't risk missing out on a trade deadline addition so they'll pivot to another target in mind?

You can call their bluff, but that could also result in taking a worse offer from Tampa or Florida. I suspect GMs are more up front about their available assets and specific timelines than we expect.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The only way you can be really mad at this return is if you were expecting Lundell.
I was hoping for a 1st and good prospect, thought it would be a 1st, B prospect, and another pick. So missed on the B prospect

I think most people were only expecting a return like that for an extended Hanifin which is a whole different ball game.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

give me that Markstrom deal...

Given this return I shudder to think what Conroy was running up the flagpole for Markstrom.

I hope the Flames are done for the season. Damn.

[Roughneck]

I think I’ve learned over the years not to judge trades too quickly.

Lots of draft picks tend to be better than fewer draft picks, but bad drafting with lots of picks is worse than good drafting with few picks

I’ve heard one President/GM talk about not trading a pending UFA for an underwhelming deal because you don’t want to set the precedent that you’re willing to sell low. I’ve yet to see teams overpay for pending Flames UFAs as a result, and have seen some of the best talent the organization has ever had leave for nothing

Ive seen late round picks turn into busts. I’ve seen late first rounders be some of the most impactful players in the league. Draft good, picks mean more. If you can’t draft good, what does it really matter if you get a late 1st or a 2nd or a conditional 3rd?

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I’ve seen the results of the ‘nothing’ return on assets and it hasn’t been good. I’m willing to give Connie the chance to be the guy who at least does the ‘something instead of nothing, even if the something seems underwhelming at the time’ return to see how it goes, knowing that even just two of the dozen or so picks he’s acquired becoming something can change the course of the organization. If it turns out to be the same as the ‘nothing’ return, I’ll start bashing him then.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because when the best D man is still there and it is crunch time that is when you get the best return. There would definitely still be a market for Noah Hanifin on Friday.

With such strong overreacting by you.. I am a bit surprised you didn't know the market was this weak considering you are an Insider.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

This trade was bad, there's no way to sugar-coat it. When you don't get more for Hanifin as Anaheim got for rental Henrique and barely more than Philly did for rental Walker, you didn't do very well.

Yes, Conroy's hands were tied. You can blame Tre for giving Hanifin a NMC, blame Brisson for tampering, or whatever. But at the end of the day, an experienced agent and other GMs took advantage of a rookie GM. An experienced GM would never allow an agent to meddle like this, have all sorts of info leaked about where Hanifin wants to go, etc. I can't see any other GM allowing the kind of noise around this team as we've seen recently. We've been praising Conroy for holding steady, but honestly, a bunch of experienced hockey people just outwaited him and exerted outside pressure until all Conroy could do was accept the best pile of crap from the crap basket.

That said, I'm glad we got at least something for Noah. I maintain the opinion that the best way to build a sustainable winner is through the draft, and the best way to get high draft picks is by being an awful team. Hoping for Vegas to tank in 2026 is a pipe dream. Having a compete #### team ourselves is the best route to go, and we are well on our way. Team Tank is finally going to win here.

I really like Conroy as a human being and also as a GM. He's the kind of persuasive personality that's finally convinced ownership to rebuild. I'm thrilled about that. And if finally, this allows us to bottom out and draft a few top-3 players, I consider that a win.

But there's very little to praise Conroy about this specific trade. We got what we got and I'll take it, but it's not good. I strongly disagree with anyone trying to spin this trade as a win for us.

Disagree. Agents aren’t puppets and will do whatever it takes to ensure their clients needs are met. Having an established GM does nothing to prevent this type of thing from happening. This is a league issue that needs to be addressed and could happen to anyone.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Because when the best D man is still there and it is crunch time that is when you get the best return. There would definitely still be a market for Noah Hanifin on Friday.

The teams that would have been left would have been the same 3 or 4 teams. The Florida teams had nothing to offer in terms of picks until 2026 and their prospects were mediocre. Maybe Boston was in the mix but I doubt they trade many prospects/picks this deadline. Maybe I am missing something but I think Craig would have been talking to the same teams and looking at the same types of returns. Not every team wants nor needs the best dman, even on Friday.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Only thing I’m disappointed in is Conroy’s impatience. I think this deal or something very similar is at the very least still available Friday. Only, I feel like waiting would increase the odds of obtaining a better package.

He was too patient if anything. I think if anything they hurt his value by trying to re-sign him multiple times.