[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[skcli]

Can compare this trade with giving up a first rounder with Monahan. I feel sick even thinking about this.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Conroy said we have 2 1sts next year.. that isn't true, right? One is going to Montreal.

Well they have the Panthers first too remember...only one goes to Montreal

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Where is the third team and what's going on with that? Still a little confused.

[dissentowner]

Ok, I am over it. Have to stay positive and take the positives out of it. We are moving in a new direction and the deal is what it is. Still exciting times to be a Flames fan

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Or he waits, Vegas makes a deal for a different defenseman and Conroy is stuck holding dick.

The price then goes down with less teams in the mix.

Don’t think Vegas was the only team interested. Sometimes you just need to dig your feet in and wait it out. Pulling the trigger early is a good way to start getting walked on by other gm’s. Deadline isn’t till Friday afternoon, buyers get desperate too.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

…. How do they decide it exactly?

It’s first based on how they trade their 1sts in 24 and 25. Vegas has full optionality and didn’t pay for it. It’s not much of difference but I feel like the Flame should have got a 4th or something if the pick slid

[RedHawk12]

This trade was bad, there's no way to sugar-coat it. When you don't get more for Hanifin as Anaheim got for rental Henrique and barely more than Philly did for rental Walker, you didn't do very well.

Yes, Conroy's hands were tied. You can blame Tre for giving Hanifin a NMC, blame Brisson for tampering, or whatever. But at the end of the day, an experienced agent and other GMs took advantage of a rookie GM. An experienced GM would never allow an agent to meddle like this, have all sorts of info leaked about where Hanifin wants to go, etc. I can't see any other GM allowing the kind of noise around this team as we've seen recently. We've been praising Conroy for holding steady, but honestly, a bunch of experienced hockey people just outwaited him and exerted outside pressure until all Conroy could do was accept the best pile of crap from the crap basket.

That said, I'm glad we got at least something for Noah. I maintain the opinion that the best way to build a sustainable winner is through the draft, and the best way to get high draft picks is by being an awful team. Hoping for Vegas to tank in 2026 is a pipe dream. Having a compete #### team ourselves is the best route to go, and we are well on our way. Team Tank is finally going to win here.

I really like Conroy as a human being and also as a GM. He's the kind of persuasive personality that's finally convinced ownership to rebuild. I'm thrilled about that. And if finally, this allows us to bottom out and draft a few top-3 players, I consider that a win.

But there's very little to praise Conroy about this specific trade. We got what we got and I'll take it, but it's not good. I strongly disagree with anyone trying to spin this trade as a win for us.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Where is the third team and what's going on with that? Still a little confused.

Philly keeps some Hanifin money and gets a 4th from Vegas

[ComixZone]

Steinberg just said Conroy is not going to be available again until after the TDL hits.

Pat speculates more is happening…?

[JurassicTunga12]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Steinberg just said Conroy is not going to be available again until after the TDL hits.

Pat speculates more is happening…?

give me that Markstrom deal...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Why would there be any guarantee that a team would pay more or even be in the market for Hanifin on Friday? I am not even sure a dman was their top priority would seem to me that a forward would be a higher priority given their injuries and how strong their backend is.

Because when the best D man is still there and it is crunch time that is when you get the best return. There would definitely still be a market for Noah Hanifin on Friday.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It’s first based on how they trade their 1sts in 24 and 25. Vegas has full optionality and didn’t pay for it. It’s not much of difference but I feel like the Flame should have got a 4th or something if the pick slid

But then executing the option favours the Flames… if they do well this year, we get a 2nd. If they are doing well next year, they’ll push and likely trade their first…. We want both of those to happen…

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Let’s say the knights implode next season and their 2025 ends up being 10th. Can they choose to give it to us anyways? Rather than potentially giving up McKenna?

If they trade the 25 pick in the next 48 hours, the 26 belongs to Calgary.

If they don’t trade it, and it ends up being top 10, the 26 belongs to Calgary.

That’s how I’m interpreting it.

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Only thing I’m disappointed in is Conroy’s impatience. I think this deal or something very similar is at the very least still available Friday. Only, I feel like waiting would increase the odds of obtaining a better package.

I doubt waiting would have made a difference. They’ve been shopping him for some time and with the agents behind the scenes maneuvering this is probably as good as it gets. Looking at the return, you got to assume Vegas had the best package in place. The deal looks acceptable if hanafin is a rental.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Or he waits, Vegas makes a deal for a different defenseman and Conroy is stuck holding dick.

The price then goes down with less teams in the mix.

I think there were more then a few teams in on Hanifin as a pure rental. Vegas got in the mix because it was a team he rumored to maybe sign long term with.

Because of that complication and how much the players side was pushing to chat with teams interested in signing long term, it steered the Flames to Vegas it appears (and Tampa and Fla) and seemingly that got Conroy sucked into dealing only with them, presumably because he thought he could get more for an extended Hanifin.

But NJ was in on him, and others and Flames had no obligation to explore places where he could extend, and could've traded him to 23 other teams, technically.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

This trade would be more favorably perceived if it was done mid-day on Friday as opposed to today.

Time crunch and opponents getting better creates desperate teams. New bidders can show up, and ongoing ones can improve their offers. Why on earth do this now, today!?

This is why the defenders of this trade throwing shade at the rest of us are embarrassing themselves by deluding themselves into liking it, solely because "there could not have been a better offer"

Maybe as of right now. But that doesn't account for the additional two days of mounting pressure and what could've come of it.

The argument that the market wasn't there is BS. There is never a market until you create one. Leverage teams against each other. Work collaboratively with the player and agent to avoid them working against you. Try and group the trades closer together to avoid discontent. The entire situation was mismanaged.

[Burning Beard]

Who's excited to see all the new Dmen? Is it weird that I kind of am? Hopefully a couple pop. Lord knows there is a lot of opportunity there now.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Only thing I’m disappointed in is Conroy’s impatience. I think this deal or something very similar is at the very least still available Friday. Only, I feel like waiting would increase the odds of obtaining a better package.

I think he got what, or atleast very close to what he wanted. He got this done so he can chip away on a Markstrom trade now

[Angelino]

Vegas gave Conroy a Golden Shower tonight.

[Goriders]

A lot of people wanted a rebuild.

- all old UFAs are gone
- we received serviceable younger players in return
- we received a ton of draft picks
- the team is playing better now than at the start of the year.
- we’re going to have a ton of cap space in the summer

What else do you want? Good job Conman