[Trade] Flyers trade Sean Walker to Colorado for Ryan Johansen + a 1st

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Ok. Can we send a gift subscription to the Athletic to Conroy then?

I'm not saying The Athletic is gospel. But looking at Grusnikov's production since being drafted, it is pretty safe to say he wasn't the best defenceman in the Stars system and probably not even top 3. I hope the Flames scouts were just willing to overpay to get him, and more importantly, that they're right about him. But that is far from certain, especially considering he is posting 0.1 pts/gp in his 20th year in the AHL. Even Kuznetsov has 19pts this year.

[RedHot25]

That is a much different way of phrasing your point of view then calling firmer NHL Scouting Directors random dudes is all I am going to say.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

That is a much different way of phrasing your point of view then calling firmer NHL Scouting Directors random dudes is all I am going to say.

The appeal to authority fallacy grows tiresome. Especially when that authority is an unemployed scout.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I'm not saying The Athletic is gospel. But looking at Grusnikov's production since being drafted, it is pretty safe to say he wasn't the best defenceman in the Stars system and probably not even top 3. I hope the Flames scouts were just willing to overpay to get him, and more importantly, that they're right about him. But that is far from certain, especially considering he is posting 0.1 pts/gp in his 20th year in the AHL. Even Kuznetsov has 19pts this year.

Man, well 20th, I didn't know that. I'll agree with you then, but fingers crossed, his 21st AHL season is when he will spike!

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I'm not saying The Athletic is gospel. But looking at Grusnikov's production since being drafted, it is pretty safe to say he wasn't the best defenceman in the Stars system and probably not even top 3. I hope the Flames scouts were just willing to overpay to get him, and more importantly, that they're right about him. But that is far from certain, especially considering he is posting 0.1 pts/gp in his 20th year in the AHL. Even Kuznetsov has 19pts this year.

Production for a defensive defenceman? Perhaps stop and assess what you are arguing about. I don't think that it was a home run trade, but this player's value is not in the points he puts up.

[stamps]

Ryan Johansen waived by the Flyers https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/philadelphila...nche-1.2085609

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by cannon7

The appeal to authority fallacy grows tiresome. Especially when that authority is an unemployed scout.

I think you've missed my point entirely. Anyway have a good rest of the trade deadline.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I'm not saying The Athletic is gospel. But looking at Grusnikov's production since being drafted, it is pretty safe to say he wasn't the best defenceman in the Stars system and probably not even top 3. I hope the Flames scouts were just willing to overpay to get him, and more importantly, that they're right about him. But that is far from certain, especially considering he is posting 0.1 pts/gp in his 20th year in the AHL. Even Kuznetsov has 19pts this year.

I looked at Tanev's production since playing in the NHL and it's safe to say that the Flames got a good haul for a defenseman who produced like a 4-6th defenseman.

[GioforPM]

Stars second round picks include Stankoven, Robertson, Hintz. Not too bad.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I'm not saying The Athletic is gospel. But looking at Grusnikov's production since being drafted, it is pretty safe to say he wasn't the best defenceman in the Stars system and probably not even top 3. I hope the Flames scouts were just willing to overpay to get him, and more importantly, that they're right about him. But that is far from certain, especially considering he is posting 0.1 pts/gp in his 20th year in the AHL. Even Kuznetsov has 19pts this year.

How did Flames the Flames overpay to get him?

2nd + Grushnikov >>>> Johansen + 1st

Sure the 1st is sexy but based on other cap dumps the opportunity cost of taking on that Johanen contract with no other factors would be the 33rd overall pick. (Puckpedia.com/caprelief)

Considering Colorado's 1st round pick is very likely to be somewhere between 25-32nd...that would mean you got almost nothing in return for Walker.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Also depend on how the Flames view this draft in the late 20s. They have one late pick in that range. If they don't have a deep set of priority targets in that range, than getting two pieces instead of 1 makes sense.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by stamps

Ryan Johansen waived by the Flyers https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/philadelphila...nche-1.2085609

Grab him and retain 50%. Flip him to someone else before Friday haha

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Grab him and retain 50%. Flip him to someone else before Friday haha

According to the same page on Capfriendly, if you retained 50% on Johansen, you should be able to get rid of him by throwing in the 47th overall pick.

Claim player off waivers, lose a 2nd to get rid of him, still pay half his salary. Sounds like a win to me!

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

According to the same page on Capfriendly, if you retained 50% on Johansen, you should be able to get rid of him by throwing in the 47th overall pick.

Claim player off waivers, lose a 2nd to get rid of him, still pay half his salary. Sounds like a win to me!

Well how convenient. Finish as the 17th best team you should get the #47 pick.

Do it!

The other factor is the actual money has varying value to each team. Sure owners are rich, but if you're the Leafs or Rangers Making 4 million to set on fire is a bit easier than if you are the Arizona Coyotes.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Stars second round picks include Stankoven, Robertson, Hintz. Not too bad.

I posted almost this exact thing in the Tanev trade thread. I do try to be positive despite my tagline.

[bluejays]

I have to say the first thing that comes to mind in a Byram deal at the deadline would be Treliving. They desperately need young dmen, have former first rounders to possibly include, like Minten and could give up Bertuzzi for a change of scenery to a place liked Colorado who could perhaps use him for a run.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How did Flames the Flames overpay to get him?

2nd + Grushnikov >>>> Johansen + 1st

Sure the 1st is sexy but based on other cap dumps the opportunity cost of taking on that Johanen contract with no other factors would be the 33rd overall pick. (Puckpedia.com/caprelief)

Considering Colorado's 1st round pick is very likely to be somewhere between 25-32nd...that would mean you got almost nothing in return for Walker.

I think Walker’s value was basically nothing.

Tanev is so much better than Walker, the trades are not comparable.

[Sylvanfan]

Have not seen anyone bring up the Tortarella and Johansen history. No surprise the Flyers waived him right away.

With Nashville eating half his salary would they be on the hook for the same amount of the buyout as the Flyers will. Essentially if he gets bought out both teams eat 1.33 for the next two years?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Have not seen anyone bring up the Tortarella and Johansen history. No surprise the Flyers waived him right away.

With Nashville eating half his salary would they be on the hook for the same amount of the buyout as the Flyers will. Essentially if he gets bought out both teams eat 1.33 for the next two years?

I think Nashville still pays him $4M and the Flyers pay a buyout on $4M. I don't think you can force another team to buy out their retained salary.

EDIT: CapF's calculator seems to disagree with me. In this case it would probably work out well for Nashville - they take a smaller hit next year and an extra one the year after. But I could see where a team wouldn't want the hit extended the way some buyouts work.

[sureLoss]

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