03-06-2024, 12:33 PM
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#27741
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stemit14
Does Colorado have a first round pick this year? If so, they could be a good option for Hanifin (likely as a rental) to make up for the loss of Byram. Would also make them stronger and frustrate the Oilers.
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Well, Walker?
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03-06-2024, 12:34 PM
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#27742
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Not with his salary. Its just valuing.
He was given that contract to score goals. Yeah he is on a really good defensive line, but thats not what 5.8M is for, nor is he the driver of said defense on that line.
He is a 40 pt under sized winger who makes way more money than that should require.
29 goals in his last 142 games.
Coleman has 25 in 61 this season alone for a million dollars less.
On the same line.
Sorry...Mangiapane is not under valued "around this site", he is in fact over valued instead by many.
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I'd rather hang onto Manpiapane in hopes he busts out in his contract year. It's not like the Flames cant afford his cap.
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03-06-2024, 12:34 PM
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#27743
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
Is Conroy missing the boat?
Will there be any Dance partners left?
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yeah now there are teams with more pressure to compete with adds made by other teams
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03-06-2024, 12:34 PM
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#27744
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Not with his salary. Its just valuing.
He was given that contract to score goals. Yeah he is on a really good defensive line, but thats not what 5.8M is for, nor is he the driver of said defense on that line.
He is a 40 pt under sized winger who makes way more money than that should require.
29 goals in his last 142 games.
Coleman has 25 in 61 this season alone for a million dollars less.
On the same line.
Sorry...Mangiapane is not under valued "around this site", he is in fact over valued instead by many.
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He's paid to produce at 5v5, not just score goals at 5v5. And for the most part he's produced at 5v5 about what expected.
He's third on the team in 5v5 points among forwards with 26 (behind only Coleman and Kadri).
Those 26 points also tie him for 81st in the NHL among forwards...with notable names like Ryan O'Reilly, Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Clayton Keller, Chris Kreider, Tyler Toffoli, Pavel Buchnevich, Cole Caufield. Or 1 5v5 point behind Matthew Tkachuk.
He get's blamed on this site not for what he is, but for what people wanted him to be. People wanted him to be a 30 goal, and 60 point winger...which is fine, but it was always going to be tough for him to do that without top unit PP time and more ice time overall.
As it is he's easily a top 6 forward in the NHL (there are 192 top 6 forwards by defininition in the NHL, and this would put him around the middle of the pack being ranked 81st in points)
Moving him 1 for 1 for Cody Glass who has all of 10 points this season would be a big mistake.
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03-06-2024, 12:35 PM
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#27745
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Spruce Grove
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan403
But Robin Williams is DEAD (rip).
The trade is dead! The Trade is dead!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stemit14
Does Colorado have a first round pick this year? If so, they could be a good option for Hanifin (likely as a rental) to make up for the loss of Byram. Would also make them stronger and frustrate the Oilers.
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No they don’t have their first and no need for Hanifin since they got Miltstad
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03-06-2024, 12:35 PM
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#27746
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Not with his salary. Its just valuing.
He was given that contract to score goals. Yeah he is on a really good defensive line, but thats not what 5.8M is for, nor is he the driver of said defense on that line.
He is a 40 pt under sized winger who makes way more money than that should require.
29 goals in his last 142 games.
Coleman has 25 in 61 this season alone for a million dollars less.
On the same line.
Sorry...Mangiapane is not under valued "around this site", he is in fact over valued instead by many.
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No one was saying Mangiapane ain’t overpaid. His production the past 4 years has been second liner level production and lots of people on here talk about him like a bottom 6er
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03-06-2024, 12:36 PM
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#27747
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
Lol @ the Mangiapane hate.
That line is typically the only thing keeping there team alive every year.
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Weren’t there rumours that mangi doesn’t want to be on the checking line and wants more PP time?
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03-06-2024, 12:38 PM
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#27748
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveinspruce
No they don’t have their first and no need for Hanifin since they got Miltstad
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What does Middlestadt have to do with needing Hanifin?
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03-06-2024, 12:39 PM
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#27749
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by savardandjokinen
No one was saying Mangiapane ain’t overpaid. His production the past 4 years has been second liner level production and lots of people on here talk about him like a bottom 6er
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I'd argue he's not even that overpaid. By like a mil, maybe. People talk like he makes 8 mil a year
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03-06-2024, 12:39 PM
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#27750
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
Weren’t there rumours that mangi doesn’t want to be on the checking line and wants more PP time?
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He wants a change of scenery.
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03-06-2024, 12:39 PM
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#27751
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveinspruce
No they don’t have their first and no need for Hanifin since they got Miltstad
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"no need" haha
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03-06-2024, 12:40 PM
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#27752
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Franchise Player
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do people realize cody glass is about to turn 25
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03-06-2024, 12:40 PM
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#27753
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Love the 200 foot, good in all zones, produces at 5 on 5 hockey player.
Mangiapane has tremendous value in my books.
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03-06-2024, 12:40 PM
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#27754
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveinspruce
No they don’t have their first and no need for Hanifin since they got Miltstad
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They traded Byram for Mittelstadt. They need Hanifin more now, just don't have a lot left in terms of tradeable assets to acquire him.
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03-06-2024, 12:41 PM
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#27755
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
do people realize cody glass is about to turn 25
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Yup, still think he can break out with the right opportunity.
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03-06-2024, 12:41 PM
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#27756
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stemit14
Does Colorado have a first round pick this year? If so, they could be a good option for Hanifin (likely as a rental) to make up for the loss of Byram. Would also make them stronger and frustrate the Oilers.
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Yes they do still have their 2024 1st.
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03-06-2024, 12:41 PM
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#27757
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Love the 200 foot, good in all zones, produces at 5 on 5 hockey player.
Mangiapane has tremendous value in my books.
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at $5.8, I am not sure he has TREMENDOUS value, but I get your point....
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03-06-2024, 12:45 PM
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#27758
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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I'd do Glass for Mang in a heartbeat. Center for a winger, that's the pay I do it.
The cap hit hurts his overall playing value. He's overpaid by 2 million. And he's only looked decent this year on the Backs Coleman line.
And I'm kind of over watching him blow 12 tires a game.
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03-06-2024, 12:45 PM
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#27759
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
He wants a change of scenery.
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That’s unfortunate to hear
How come?
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03-06-2024, 12:46 PM
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#27760
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Franchise Player
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Mangiapane is a solid NHLer but he got the contract he did because he scored goals and there was a belief he would continue to do so. He is overpaid now but its not like the Flames are hurting for cap space.
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