[Rumour] Lightning have contract extension in place for Hanifin if trade can be completed

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by edslunch

When is the last time a really good young player or blue chip prospect was traded by a playoff contender at the deadline? It rarely happens I think. Picks and B prospects.

Owen Tippett in the Giroux trade

[jg13]

wrong thread

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by timbit

I am told the 8 no trade teams include all Canadian teams.

That leaves a lot of teams open, without his consent.

Yeah but only some of those teams are looking for a rental. Compounded by the fact they know they can’t extend him.

You’ll get a worse return that way.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Tiger

Doesn't matter. The asset is equally good for the team... time doesn't matter. People just want the now

I hope you have a financial advisor looking after your money.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I would be a little disappointed to have to wait until 2026 to see who we’re getting. I really don’t like TB as trade partners.

Who says we wait until 2026? That could happen or they could use that pick to acquire a good young player that does not fit in someone's window. They could wait a few years and see if TB falls off a cliff, if they don't you can always use that pick as currency to add to your roster.

[GullFoss]

i find it shocking hanifin wouldnt want to go to the panthers

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Hanifin will go where we want him to go.

You're not our little face-blocking princess like Tanev was. You don't get dibs on your team.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

i find it shocking hanifin wouldnt want to go to the panthers

Me too actually. With how tight him and Chucky are and them interested I thought there would be a way to get it done. I am guessing whatever TB is offering is better so far than what Florida has put on the table. If I am Conroy I take this right down to the wire. Unless you get the right offer scratch him against TB and work it to the final hour on Friday.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Yeah but only some of those teams are looking for a rental. Compounded by the fact they know they can’t extend him.

You’ll get a worse return that way.

My guess is there are 10-15 teams that would and could take him as a rental.

3-5 teams that would be able to and fully interested in re signing.

Flames can pay the lip service to teams wanting to extend him or where he says he wants to go as a rentsl, but don't need any permission to send him to any one of the teams not on his list, for whatever best return Conroy has come 36 hours from now.

[dissentowner]

Keep in mind too that if Conroy doesn't like what the Florida teams are offering he can go to Hanifin and tell him to give him some more teams he would extend with. Sure, he might not give anymore but if him and his agent are playing dirty pool you can always tell him you will take the best rental deal instead. The thing with GM's is they let their emotions and player lust make them stupid at this time of year. After it is over and they have time to reflect sometimes they are glad they didn't make the deal or they suddenly sour on the player. You think you know where you are going and the next thing you know teams have pivoted and you are stuck in a dumpster like Columbus.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I don't think the Flames owe hanifin anything at the end of the day since he's choosing to move on.

Best deal should win out no matter what. If that's coming from a Florida team, then so be it.

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I don't think the Flames owe hanifin anything at the end of the day since he's choosing to move on.

Best deal should win out no matter what. If that's coming from a Florida team, then so be it.

Even as a rental what team wouldn't want Hanifin. Players come go and conman doing best he can with what he has hope it all works out look forward to new chapter.

[dino7c]

If this is all true I would make him sweat the 8 year deal a bit, if the Tampa offer is poor make a rental deal at the last minute

At some point the Flames need to show they aren't going to be pushed around by players under contract anymore

[bax]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Who says we wait until 2026? That could happen or they could use that pick to acquire a good young player that does not fit in someone's window. They could wait a few years and see if TB falls off a cliff, if they don't you can always use that pick as currency to add to your roster.

That’s a bit of a pipe dream.

I can’t think of a successful rebuild where a team has traded away away any of the first round picks they acquired for established players.

Bottom line is a successful team in Calgary needs to be built through the draft. No more short cuts.

A 2027 draft picks leaves Conroy waiting 7-8 years to see a return on a Hanifin trade. That simply doesn’t hold the same value as a pick in the upcoming draft.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by bax

That’s a bit of a pipe dream.

I can’t think of a successful rebuild where a team has traded away away any of the first round picks they acquired for established players.

Bottom line is a successful team in Calgary needs to be built through the draft. No more short cuts.

A 2027 draft picks leaves Conroy waiting 7-8 years to see a return on a Hanifin trade. That simply doesn’t hold the same value as a pick in the upcoming draft.

I largely agree with you but disagree with one thing. The rebuild or retool can’t happen through one or two drafts. They have to hit a couple home runs but it has to be at numerous drafts to keep the pipeline running, much like Colorado or Dallas have done. Given what we know about this years draft, I’d be happy to get future 1sts over this one anyway.

[dino7c]

I would prefer sooner rather than later...the Flames aren't doing a total tear down

[bax]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I largely agree with you but disagree with one thing. The rebuild or retool can’t happen through one or two drafts. They have to hit a couple home runs but it has to be at numerous drafts to keep the pipeline running, much like Colorado or Dallas have done. Given what we know about this years draft, I’d be happy to get future 1sts over this one anyway.

You’re not wrong, but Hanifin is a top pairing defenseman in his prime. It’s one of the best assets Conroy has to accelerate the rebuild and bring in multiple future style assets.

If the best asset you can get back in a trade is a 2027 draft pick then this trade isn’t benefitting the current rebuild/retool.

It’s the same reason Conroy couldn’t get anything done with Toronto with Tanev/Zadorov. Their best draft pick available is a 2027 second rounder. That doesn’t help Conroy who is trying to turn this team around in a 3-4 year window.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by bax

You’re not wrong, but Hanifin is a top pairing defenseman in his prime. It’s one of the best assets Conroy has to accelerate the rebuild and bring in multiple future style assets.

If the best asset you can get back in a trade is a 2027 draft pick then this trade isn’t benefitting the current rebuild/retool.

It’s the same reason Conroy couldn’t get anything done with Toronto with Tanev/Zadorov. Their best draft pick available is a 2027 second rounder. That doesn’t help Conroy who is trying to turn this team around in a 3-4 year window.

Fair. And I agree that as a dman extended he should be getting more. But the extension with a handful of teams handcuffs the team. For any of these guys who are pending UFAs next year, Conroy has to deal them this offseason to maximize value if they have no future on the team. The only reason he’s in this position is because they were so wishy washy to get to this point. Ideally they should’ve made up their mind on the team direction some time back and dealt him in the summer. But to your point maybe given their constraints 2027 is a long way out. But I wouldn’t be opposed to 2026 given we need higher picks and by then Tampa may be in the fuzzy middle if Hedman and Vas falter (which they’re showing signs of aging now). That’s also where we can’t just rely on one piece coming back (the pick). There has to be a prospect coming with it.

[bax]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Fair. And I agree that as a dman extended he should be getting more. But the extension with a handful of teams handcuffs the team. For any of these guys who are pending UFAs next year, Conroy has to deal them this offseason to maximize value if they have no future on the team. The only reason he’s in this position is because they were so wishy washy to get to this point. Ideally they should’ve made up their mind on the team direction some time back and dealt him in the summer. But to your point maybe given their constraints 2027 is a long way out. But I wouldn’t be opposed to 2026 given we need higher picks and by then Tampa may be in the fuzzy middle if Hedman and Vas falter (which they’re showing signs of aging now). That’s also where we can’t just rely on one piece coming back (the pick). There has to be a prospect coming with it.

Yeah just by what we’ve been hearing it sounds like Noah and his agent have made this really tough on Conroy. Seems inevitable that we will be getting ripped off.

I’m just tired of Calgary being a farm team for the rest of the league. Tkachuk, Fox, Hanifin, Bennett all playing out their primes for different teams. Frustrating to say the least.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by bax

Yeah just by what we’ve been hearing it sounds like Noah and his agent have made this really tough on Conroy. Seems inevitable that we will be getting ripped off.

I’m just tired of Calgary being a farm team for the rest of the league. Tkachuk, Fox, Hanifin, Bennett all playing out their primes for different teams. Frustrating to say the least.

Or Conroy is pinning the two Florida teams against each other