[Rumour] Lightning have contract extension in place for Hanifin if trade can be completed

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

No, the simplest answer for Hanifin vetoing deals is not waiving for a team on his no trade list or saying he won’t sign with that team. No need for a crazy story about him not reporting.

That's my thought too...which then means all these "he's not giving the Flames options" stories are overblown

Only having a list of 3-4 teams he'd be willing to re-sign with and not going to teams on his NTC list (which is only an 8 team list) is pretty normal.

I don't see why he would have a bigger list he'd be willing to re-sign with.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sandman

If Vegas is still interested, I would rather deal with them, as they have the more interesting prospects- Mathieu Cataford, David Edstrom, Brendan Brisson to name a few.

Is that the agents son ?

[timbit]

Any agent that believes he can manipulate the media into changing a GM’s thinking on a player’s trade value is dreaming!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That's my thought too...which then means all these "he's not giving the Flames options" stories are overblown

I think it’s simply people getting mad that Hanifin isn’t ’being a team guy’ by exercising his right to sign where he wants to rather than to a team that will provide the biggest return.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is that the agents son ?

Yep!

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is that the agents son ?

Oh crap, he is!

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hard for the Flames to trade with Tampa or Florida unless they offer up a really good roster player, which is doubtful IMO. A 2026 1st is a player that likely won't see the lineup until the turn of the decade at the earliest. A late first is a player usually on a five or six year development curve. Not sure the Flames are going to want to wait eight or more years for a player. Would have to be way more and more immediate for what Conroy wants to do.

I would be a little disappointed to have to wait until 2026 to see who we’re getting. I really don’t like TB as trade partners.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

If it is factual about a sign and trade with the way the agent/Hanifin are pissing around I would get the contract done, without a NTC and turn around and trade him to San Jose out of spite. If it is a sign and trade his contract is with the Flames not the Lightning.

I hope that the Flames ownership group file a complaint with the league against the agent for tampering and get him suspended for the max term of 5 years.

Good luck doing that with Brisson - he apparently has the most players under contract in the NHL on his book.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Well it sounds like he gets to go to the place he would have signed with. They have some of the worst assets to offer us.

They don't have to have better assets than the other teams. They just have to offer better assets. Nobody is going all-in for one player.

Others teams wouldn’t have just stopped making good offers. So either Tampa is offering an impressive package or Brisson stuck it to us.

Brisson hasn't got the power to stick it to anyone. The Flames can trade Hanifin to any of 23 teams, and those teams all know where he wants to sign and where he doesn't.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The Flames can trade Hanifin to any of 23 teams, and those teams all know where he wants to sign and where he doesn't.

Bottom line!

[saillias]

How Seravalli describes it is that multiple times Hanifin's camp has gotten involved and kiboshed deals by basically tampering behind the scenes and letting other teams know Hanifin doesn't want to play there. The reason they are able to do this is Brisson is the most connected agent in the league and has multiple connections in every front office who contact him when trade talks happen. It's also been reported that Hanifin doesn't want to be a rental. Basically they are controlling the process telling teams we won't sign there and we don't want to play there as a rental.

So no this is not good for the Flames or just business as usual. This is above and beyond. Steinberg confirms he has heard the same. Both agree that this is beyond a point where Conroy is trying to do right by Hanifin. Frank used the terms "Gloves are off"

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I would be a little disappointed to have to wait until 2026 to see who we’re getting. I really don’t like TB as trade partners.

People are so strange in this thought... A first round pick is worth a 1st round pick regardless of year. Everyone ####ting bricks about the Monahan trade, but that was a first rounders years out. Shouldn't be worth much with this logic. It's just you don't want to wait for the shiny toy.

If fact because people weight future picks as less than current picks, a team can increase their draft capital by biting the bullet one year. Trade your first for a first the next year and a second. Keep doing that and you keep getting more picks. This is because future picks should be valued the same, but they are not.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I just hope that the fax machine works.

[traptor]

Teams my have an idea wether a player would sign or not but typically full discussions wouldn't happen unless the team gives permission or until after the trade.


Most players agents wouldn't be so aggressive telling teams that his player wouldn't sign on that team during the deadline because it would reduce their players UFA leverage.

It seems like Hanifins agent is going around the flames and telling alot of teams off. Hanifins camp must be confident that Hanifin will get what he wants in contract even if the pool is extremely limited.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Tiger

People are so strange in this thought... A first round pick is worth a 1st round pick regardless of year. Everyone ####ting bricks about the Monahan trade, but that was a first rounders years out. Shouldn't be worth much with this logic. It's just you don't want to wait for the shiny toy.

If fact because people weight future picks as less than current picks, a team can increase their draft capital by biting the bullet one year. Trade your first for a first the next year and a second. Keep doing that and you keep getting more picks. This is because future picks should be valued the same, but they are not.

Like Lanny said, we could be waiting until 2030 before the kid makes the team!

[traptor]

Originally Posted by saillias

How Seravalli describes it is that multiple times Hanifin's camp has gotten involved and kiboshed deals by basically tampering behind the scenes and letting other teams know Hanifin doesn't want to play there. The reason they are able to do this is Brisson is the most connected agent in the league and has multiple connections in every front office who contact him when trade talks happen. It's also been reported that Hanifin doesn't want to be a rental. Basically they are controlling the process telling teams we won't sign there and we don't want to play there as a rental.

So no this is not good for the Flames or just business as usual. This is above and beyond. Steinberg confirms he has heard the same. Both agree that this is beyond a point where Conroy is trying to do right by Hanifin. Frank used the terms "Gloves are off"

Exactly how I read it too.

[mrdonkey]

I’d rather have a 2026 first from a team headed down than a mid-late 1st now in a draft that is by many accounts kind of bland. Even with lottery protection, you can’t just keep deferring it forever. At some point that Lightning pick has the potential to be a very good one, which should be the goal.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by saillias

How Seravalli describes it is that multiple times Hanifin's camp has gotten involved and kiboshed deals by basically tampering behind the scenes and letting other teams know Hanifin doesn't want to play there. The reason they are able to do this is Brisson is the most connected agent in the league and has multiple connections in every front office who contact him when trade talks happen. It's also been reported that Hanifin doesn't want to be a rental. Basically they are controlling the process telling teams we won't sign there and we don't want to play there as a rental.

So what? If Hanifin is traded as a rental and refuses to play, he's in breach of contract and loses about $1.1 million (and Brisson loses his percentage of that, and pisses off that team's front office).

Hanifin is not going to give up seven figures, and Brisson is not going to burn bridges with his valuable connections, over a rental deal.

[ComixZone]

I believe NTCs can be written in varying ways as well, so it’s entirely possible that Noah didn’t have to submit his trade list until somewhat recently - and at that stage he could have used it as a ploy. Listed 8 of 16 possibly playoff bound teams as teams he won’t go to, immediately limiting the field down to 8 possible teams - and it may be 8 teams that Brisson knew weren’t overly interested in Hanifin’s services, effectively giving Noah complete control over the situation in that he’d have to waive his NTC for any team that is actually interested in him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by saillias

How Seravalli describes it is that multiple times Hanifin's camp has gotten involved and kiboshed deals by basically tampering behind the scenes and letting other teams know Hanifin doesn't want to play there. The reason they are able to do this is Brisson is the most connected agent in the league and has multiple connections in every front office who contact him when trade talks happen. It's also been reported that Hanifin doesn't want to be a rental. Basically they are controlling the process telling teams we won't sign there and we don't want to play there as a rental.

So no this is not good for the Flames or just business as usual. This is above and beyond. Steinberg confirms he has heard the same. Both agree that this is beyond a point where Conroy is trying to do right by Hanifin. Frank used the terms "Gloves are off"

So you think a team that wants to trade for Hanifin but will only do so if he will re-sign there will just trust the Flames that Hanifin will do it? Or do you think Hanifin should sign with any team that will give the Flames the best return?
These just seems like a way for Seravelli to get more clicks.