American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[activeStick]

Not sure what this is about but it looks like it's some from the far left chasing a progressive Congresswoman in AOC down and harassing her because of something around her not using the word "genocide", despite her being probably one of the biggest supporters in Congress for the Palestinians.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1764814327704334714

[GirlySports]

Far left is just tearing itself apart on this issue, along with other issues.

You can't say one wrong thing on the left, you have to be perfect, all the time.

The right can literally rape and abuse women.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Far left is just tearing itself apart on this issue, along with other issues.

You can't say one wrong thing on the left, you have to be perfect, all the time.

The right can literally rape and abuse women.

How big and influential are the far left groups in the U.S.?

[ah123]

Very interesting interview on the movement that drives Trump’s campaign

So Christian nationalists take an approach to their Christianity that says it should have an undue influence on our government, on our economics, on our culture, and that it is by dint of our history, the religious faith that is meant to be privileged in our public square. With that said, there are different kinds of Christian nationalists and different ways that people manifest their understanding of the term. But when it comes down to it, if we all sit down as Americans at a table and there are people from different backgrounds, different ethnicities, different faiths, and someone who is a Christian says, just by being at this table, I should have a special place, well, to me, that's Christian nationalism because you're saying that somehow this country is yours in a way that it is not for everyone else. And to me, therein lies the problem.

If you want to colonize the Earth for God, it's not enough to have a testimony that says, Jesus saved me from my sins or from my alcoholism. What you need is a bully, somebody who will put in line all those folks that you think are ruining your country and causing it to descend into the pits of hell.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/12348...-supreme-court

[Monahammer]

IMO this was the exact purpose of inducing Hamas to attack when they did. It totally distracts the left from coherent anti-russia arguments. Just watch that John Stewart clip where he directly compares the two. How can congress hope to pass support for Ukraine in that environment?

Girly you are right, it is another example of the left hamstringing themselves. We have a group of trans-rights activists in Edmonton who have become almost violently pro-Palestine, and I don't get it at all. Personally I think there's a huge amount of narcissism involved. How can we as Canadians have any impact on what Israel and Hamas are doing? We can't, there's no possible way. Protesting and making stands to this degree is foolish and displays an incredible level of naivety (or alternately a startlingly grotesque picture of narcissism and belief of control over world conditions.)

I am not even convinced the US could get Israel to stop without direct military intervention of some kind. Israelis need to get their own government to stop. Palestinians need to completely reject Hamas. Until one of these situations changes it is going to be incredibly difficult or impossible to influence it externally. This is a large reason why the neighbors are basically not helping with the situation either. Look at how Saudi is trying to address the situation- not by demanding stops or cease fires, but by trying to appeal to Israel by offering recognition and other things. We have to induce Israel to stop at this point. Protesting vociferously on canadian streets or american streets isn't going to work and is just dumb.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by ah123

Very interesting interview on the movement that drives Trump’s campaign

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/12348...-supreme-court

So the Chrito-fascists are a threat, then? Hrm, I was told I was being hysterical.

[Dion]

This woman needs serious psychiatric help

https://twitter.com/user/status/1764408984180506708

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

How can we as Canadians have any impact on what Israel and Hamas are doing? We can't, there's no possible way. Protesting and making stands to this degree is foolish and displays an incredible level of naivety (or alternately a startlingly grotesque picture of narcissism and belief of control over world conditions.)

Agreed about how useless and naive ultimately, protesting is. It's popular when the government is supporting something that the population does not, in hopes that they can change the government's mind. How much it actually has an impact on the government though is debatable. If Canada wasn't firmly against Russia when they invaded, I bet people would not think that protesting is foolish and those protests would be massive in comparison. In this case, there's a large segment of the population that is upset with Canada's and the US's position and actions in this Israel campaign in Palestine for the last 5 months and they're hoping they can compel their governments to stop their support of Israel, which is never going to happen.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Far left is just tearing itself apart on this issue, along with other issues.

You can't say one wrong thing on the left, you have to be perfect, all the time.

The right can literally rape and abuse women.

And some people still want to see a contested Democrat convention because Biden is old. Scenes like the one with AOC would be playing out on a loop with half the country watching.

[Harry Lime]

Those people running down AOC... the phones out and recording made me more irritated than anything. Their use as a shield and a weapon is so disturbing.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Girly you are right, it is another example of the left hamstringing themselves. We have a group of trans-rights activists in Edmonton who have become almost violently pro-Palestine, and I don't get it at all. Personally I think there's a huge amount of narcissism involved. How can we as Canadians have any impact on what Israel and Hamas are doing? We can't, there's no possible way. Protesting and making stands to this degree is foolish and displays an incredible level of naivety (or alternately a startlingly grotesque picture of narcissism and belief of control over world conditions.)

I'm failing to see why trans-rights activists in Edmonton can't also be pro-Palestine. The two are not mutually exclusive.

As far as protesting in this country and the U.S., it's about trying to get those governments to stop sending money and weapons to Israel to help them accomplish their genocidal goals.

[curves2000]

Normally not the type of person who cares if other's wear a mask or not, but the type of protestors who are taking positions like this to the level of harassment usually wear the masks still.

[photon]

Found this interesting. Maine state House on just approved joining the National Popular Interstate Vote Compact. Basically it's a compact to circumvent the Electoral College. States in the compact will assign their electors according to the outcome of the total national vote for president.

There's currently 205 votes from states in the compact, Maine would add 4 more.

Once there's 270 votes in the compact they all go into effect and the EC becomes a thing of the past. In theory anyway, I'm sure this would all end up in court.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Far left is just tearing itself apart on this issue, along with other issues.

You can't say one wrong thing on the left, you have to be perfect, all the time.

The right can literally rape and abuse women.

I would draw a distinction between the rage-porn, cancel-culture ultra-lefties (Jimmy Dore types) vs the rational, pragmatic progressives (David Pakman, Brian Tyler Cohen types). I'm glad AOC has chosen the sane side of the aisle.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I'm failing to see why trans-rights activists in Edmonton can't also be pro-Palestine. The two are not mutually exclusive.

As far as protesting in this country and the U.S., it's about trying to get those governments to stop sending money and weapons to Israel to help them accomplish their genocidal goals.

Those two things are mutually exclusive to muslims in the middle east.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I would draw a distinction between the rage-porn, cancel-culture ultra-lefties (Jimmy Dore types) vs the rational, pragmatic progressives (David Pakman, Brian Tyler Cohen types). I'm glad AOC has chosen the sane side of the aisle.

Jimmy Dore?

The handsy anti-vaxxer that frequently platforms white supremacists? Ultra-left?

What?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Those two things are mutually exclusive to muslims in the middle east.

So what? I can vehemently disagree with disgusting cultural opinions towards the LGBTQ+ community while also believing that the people who hold those views don't deserve to be bombed out of existence.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He's just one man. What should be more concerning is the insane level of support he has. The population itself has lost it's ability to look rationally at situations, and don't get to cocky, Canada is right behind with Alberta leading the charge.

Alberta could teach a few crazy states a thing or two about right wing identity politics.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by rubecube

So what? I can vehemently disagree with disgusting cultural opinions towards the LGBTQ+ community while also believing that the people who hold those views don't deserve to be bombed out of existence.

Maybe you are not a trans-person who has to experience parts of the world as "automatic murder zones". I'm not sure I can even put myself metaphorically in those shoes and know how I should feel.

[calumniate]

https://www.salon.com/2024/03/05/the...ew-york-times/

Pretty good article. Nyt have been milking their ridiculous / slanderous survey for like 4 frigging days. Ugh. I cancelled my NYTimes subscription.