Isaac Howard really doesn’t move the needle for our franchise sadly, his NHL-E has dropped and looks like he’ll top out as a bottom 6 forward. As Lanny pointed out he’s another undersized LW all be it stocky, but his numbers aren’t anything to get excited about (Dylan Duke another TBL prospect has 13 more points for comparisons sake and isn’t even in the top 40)
That as the “core” piece for an extended Hanifin is absolutely horrible, the 1st rounder would almost have to be unprotected and I’d want a 2nd as well honestly.
Tampas prospect pool is just so poor that giving up their “best” really is drastically underwhelming.
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I once landed a job by answering, "because I'm soooo good lookin'", to the what would I bring to the company question at an interview.
20% of the time, it works every time.
I know a girl who landed a bartending job at one of the usual suspect bars. One of the interview questions was “if you could be any animal what would you be?” Her response was “well I know I wouldn’t be a dolphin because they #### other fish”.
She got the job despite using fish #### in an interview.
Isaac Howard really doesn’t move the needle for our franchise sadly, his NHL-E has dropped and looks like he’ll top out as a bottom 6 forward. As Lanny pointed out he’s another undersized LW all be it stocky, but his numbers aren’t anything to get excited about (Dylan Duke another TBL prospect has 13 more points for comparisons sake and isn’t even in the top 40)
That as the “core” piece for an extended Hanifin is absolutely horrible, the 1st rounder would almost have to be unprotected and I’d want a 2nd as well honestly.
Tampas prospect pool is just so poor that giving up their “best” really is drastically underwhelming.
What's with the capping out player's ceilings based on early development around here lately? You can't say that with any certainty.
He's PPG in the NCAA and had 7 goals and 2 assists in 7 games for team USA at the world juniors. Doesn't look like a nobody prospect to me, at least not so far.
What's with the capping out player's ceilings based on early development around here lately? You can't say that with any certainty.
He's PPG in the NCAA and had 7 goals and 2 assists in 7 games for team USA at the world juniors. Doesn't look like a nobody prospect to me, at least not so far.
That’s how analytics work, it’s not a guaranteed thing obviously but the model is pretty good at identifying legitimate talent at the NHL level.
Sadly a PPG in the NCAA really isn’t that strong, like I said even at a PPG he’s not in the top 60 for scoring. I don’t believe anyone called him a “nothing” prospect but for instance he wouldn’t even break into Calgarys top 5-7 right now.
That type of prospect for an extended Hanifin is very underwhelming, that’s the issue.
What's with the capping out player's ceilings based on early development around here lately? You can't say that with any certainty.
He's PPG in the NCAA and had 7 goals and 2 assists in 7 games for team USA at the world juniors. Doesn't look like a nobody prospect to me, at least not so far.
He might end up being a decent player but the last thing we need in this organizatoon is american college undersized left shot wingers
Well who are we gonna target anyways for Hanifin based on the teams interested?!
Besides Lundell, everyone other player(Poitras,Howard, Lohrei and Samoskevich) are all similar potential being that maybe they are top players but probably are middle 6/2nd paring at best
Even Lundell isn’t a consensus top 6 player yet.
Like idk what people are expecting we are getting back from Hanifin lol. Brayden Point? Pastrnak?
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People are just making up the Edwards angle out of whole cloth. Because they just have a narrative of "mushy middle" Flames, because the don't want to beleive Conroy could botch a deal, because they hate Edwards or something else. But there's just no evidence of it,.
We’ve been hearing stories about Edwards’ meddling from pundits for years and years now. And not two or three guys - half a dozen insiders and members of the media. So there’s a history of it. And then we get another insider comment that someone above Conroy nixed the Markstrom deal.
Unless you think there’s some kind of conspiracy out there among media* across North America to discredit Murray Edwards, it’s a plausible explanation. Something derailed a deal that was - according to multiple sources - very close to done. And Seravelli is not the only person who has commented that Markstrom’s frustration went higher than Conroy.
* Actually, there does seem to be a bunker mentality among a lot of fans on this site that the rest of the league, the officials, the networks, the media, etc. all have some kind of vendetta agains the Flames franchise. First Seravelli, now Freidman can’t be trusted, they’re getting played by the Devils, etc.
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We’ve been hearing stories about Edwards’ meddling from pundits for years and years now. And not two or three guys - half a dozen insiders and members of the media. So there’s a history of it. And then we get another insider comment that someone above Conroy nixed the Markstrom deal.
Unless you think there’s some kind of conspiracy out there among media* across North America to discredit Murray Edwards, it’s a plausible explanation. Something derailed a deal that was - according to multiple sources - very close to done. And Seravelli is not the only person who has commented that Markstrom’s frustration went higher than Conroy.
* Actually, there does seem to be a bunker mentality among a lot of fans on this site that the rest of the league, the officials, the networks, the media, etc. all have some kind of vendetta agains the Flames franchise. First Seravelli, now Freidman can’t be trusted, they’re getting played by the Devils, etc.
I don't believe there is any sort of slant against the Flames.
But i do think that the following could be true:
- Edwards has meddled in the past (strong evidence and examples of this)
- Historically the team hasn't retained salary (also true)
- Edwards may be one of the reasons for that (unknown)
So when the deal fell apart, it's not hard to connect the dots to likely causes. In this case, a likely cause would be that Edwards got involved and refused to retain based on past examples. But that doesn't mean that's what actually happened.
Friedman's report this morning very much felt like a case where someone said something to him, that perhaps was more speculative than real.
But at the end of the day we don't know. I do have a lot of faith in Sec, and what he says. I think he provides legit intel so I tend to buy into what he posted today.
Fair. I also worry about player eventually leaving to the US because they're American, like Chucky and Hanifin has been rumored. Both very good players who the Flames want to keep. Johnny too actually! I just feel like there are options, why risk it?
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We’ve been hearing stories about Edwards’ meddling from pundits for years and years now. And not two or three guys - half a dozen insiders and members of the media. So there’s a history of it. And then we get another insider comment that someone above Conroy nixed the Markstrom deal.
Unless you think there’s some kind of conspiracy out there among media* across North America to discredit Murray Edwards, it’s a plausible explanation. Something derailed a deal that was - according to multiple sources - very close to done. And Seravelli is not the only person who has commented that Markstrom’s frustration went higher than Conroy.
* Actually, there does seem to be a bunker mentality among a lot of fans on this site that the rest of the league, the officials, the networks, the media, etc. all have some kind of vendetta agains the Flames franchise. First Seravelli, now Freidman can’t be trusted, they’re getting played by the Devils, etc.
Aren't you kind of answering your own question?
It became a "thing" so because of that it could possibly be a go to theory by people outside of Calgary as they attempt to fill in the blanks.
A bunch of people repeating the same potentially false story doesn't make it true.
And it could be true. I don't know. I just don't buy it from some insiders as it's often proven wrong ... as it potentially was in Calgary retaining on Tanev for example.
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Fair. I also worry about player eventually leaving to the US because they're American, like Chucky and Hanifin has been rumored. Both very good players who the Flames want to keep. Johnny too actually! I just feel like there are options, why risk it?
Get the best players available and then worry about it. Focusing on big Western Canadian players was the worst drafting era of the Flames.
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