2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[JTech780]

Mangiapane seems like a player Vegas would target.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Isn't that whole point of the NMC. To protect yourself from going to Edmonton and get a chance to get to a contender.

Again, how Markstrom perceives those destinations is different than how others see it. Plus, to sec’s point, it takes two to Tango, Colorado might not view Markstrom as a fit with their current roster structure regardless of the fact he’d be an immediate upgrade.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Wow, Seravalli on Barnburner today says Fitz and Connie had a deal but 'upper management' killed it over salary retention. He specifically mentions Maloney.

Oh wow, the talking thumb is at it again.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Wouldn't a 2025 first rounder be better than 2024 anyway? By all accounts the draft will be better, and why not have the second 1st rounder knowing they might lose their own first in the draft (to the Habs).

Maybe, but time not getting a player is worth something too. So even if the 2025 draft hss s better player you might be 4 years instead of 3...and you might be fired by that time.

In the NFL if it's a pick next year for a pick this year, next years pick is a round higher. NHL picks aren't worth that because players seldom play after being drafted. But I would always want a bit more if the puck slides a year.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Wow, Seravalli on Barnburner today says Fitz and Connie had a deal but 'upper management' killed it over salary retention. He specifically mentions Maloney.

If true, then THAT is where Marky's "shot" was aimed.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Wow, Seravalli on Barnburner today says Fitz and Connie had a deal but 'upper management' killed it over salary retention. He specifically mentions Maloney.

In this very thread we've recently heard the deal fell apart over Mercer/Holtz, over a 2024/2025 1st, over Pospisil, and over Seamus Casey as the cost to retain.

There have been enough reports that it wasn't over retention as a concept that Seravalli seems out to lunch. Unless he's interpreting the Flames and Devils haggling over the asset cost to retain, which still makes the most sense. But as mentioned, with the Devils apparently saying they'll proceed without retention... that issue being the sticking point doesn't seem logical.

[Sec214]

When I hear people blame a lack of flames willing to retain as a reason the deal falling apart.

[kyuss275]

I get why fitz doesn’t want to give up mercer in a deal. The thing is though if he wants to trade for any of the big 3 that might be available in summer they are all going to want mercer. He can wait till summer if he wants to but I think he ends up trading mercer in a deal no matter what

[Jiggy]

This close to TDL everyone is looking for clicks. Take everything you read with a grain of salt. Even the Friedman's of the world.

[Monahammer]

Don Maloney should not be a part of this hockey club at all. It is a continued annoyance at best, and at worst these insiders are telling the truth.

He should follow his word from last year and leave the team. It's ridiculous to keep this old fossil with 0 record of success in the league as the defacto head of our hockey ops.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by AC

In this very thread we've recently heard the deal fell apart over Mercer/Holtz, over a 2024/2025 1st, over Pospisil, and over Seamus Casey as the cost to retain.

There have been enough reports that it wasn't over retention as a concept that Seravalli seems out to lunch. Unless he's interpreting the Flames and Devils haggling over the asset cost to retain, which still makes the most sense. But as mentioned, with the Devils apparently saying they'll proceed without retention... that issue being the sticking point doesn't seem logical.

It's been stated by LeBrun and Freidman that they couldn't agree to the cost of retention because its complex being 2.5 years left. They both said Calgary would retain.

Why Flamesnation and Barn Burner continue to allow this hack on is crazy.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sec214

When I hear people blame a lack of flames willing to retain as a reason the deal falling apart.

Frank has gotta be a tad annoying no? Personally can’t stand the guy lol

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Sec214

When I hear people blame a lack of flames willing to retain as a reason the deal falling apart.

It's John Bean's fault?

[kobasew19]

As per sec214 (you're the best), I like how Connie is giving it until Wednesday to figure out a deal for Markstrom. The priority is to move Hanifin as that's more time sensitive.

[Sec214]

No Flames wanted an additional asset for the retention being 2.5 years... Someone paid a first to get rid of 6M Sean Monahan for 1 year....

[konradical]

I wonder if Isaac Howard would be a trade chip since Brisebois is pretty bold

Lundell is the dream

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

If true, then THAT is where Marky's "shot" was aimed.

To be honest, if the Devils were expecting the Flames to retain salary on Markstrom for the next two seasons, I'm not sure I do the deal short of a king's ransom. If the first and Holtz is roughly the return, I think I agree with Maloney. Would have rather taken Vanecek as a cap dump for one more season.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Sec214

No Flames wanted an additional asset for the retention being 2.5 years... Someone paid a first to get rid of 6M Sean Monahan for 1 year....

Exactly and good on Conroy for sticking to his guns on this one. No you can’t walk all over me because I’m a rookie GM.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why Flamesnation and Barn Burner continue to allow this hack on is crazy.

I believe Flamesnation and Daily Faceoff are owned by the same parent company, so they probably don't have a choice.

[Monahammer]

It's fine to put your foot down, but the 1st for Monahan is obviously a league-wide high water mark unlikely to be repeated.

That does jive with the earlier rumors of disagreement of retention. NJ might be using a league wide average for retention not including Monahan trade, where flames want similar value to what they paid. IF this is the case, it's sunk cost fallacy related. Need to get over the fact that our horrible former GM made one of the stupidest moves ever in league history.

I am confident that if this is still the major stumbling point it can be overcome.