[Rumour] NJD willing to trade for Markstrom in offseason if deal not reached before deadline

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Most recently his rumoured involvement in the Gaudreau free agency. Previously the Zucker deal that was never made because he couldn’t be reached.

I’ve also heard second hand stories through the years from those that have worked with him that…things didn’t get done without it running up through him.

The point being: he’s an obstacle at the final stage of approval. The fact it got that far and fell apart in this deal…yeah. It wouldn’t surprise me let me put it that way.

I thought you might mean Gaudreau, but that was a curveball by Gaudreau and Edwards came in to try and salvage it.

The others don't seem like curveballs to me. More chain of command issues which couldn't possibly be involved over weeks.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There's only 6 days. Conroy may end up accepting the Holtz offer but he's probably just seeing if NJ gets more desperate. NJ isn't going away at this point. And if that frustrates Markstrom, well, he's not going to be a Flame anyway. And team performance isn't really an issue. not for half a week.

I do wonder if the strategy is to trade Markstrom but be patient to see if NJ gets desperate. From Hischier’s and Hughes’ comments, I bet Fitzgerald is under a lot of pressure to do the deal. I think that’s probably the reason NJ off asking for retention.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I do wonder if the strategy is to trade Markstrom but be patient to see if NJ gets desperate. From Hischier’s and Hughes’ comments, I bet Fitzgerald is under a lot of pressure to do the deal. I think that’s probably the reason NJ off asking for retention.

And if the deal remains unchanged on March 8, and is still on the table, fine, take it. You lost 6 days and made Markstrom a little unhappy.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Holtz and a 1st would still be the best return a goalie has had since Schneider

Good point I forgot about that trade. I would guess actually the Schneider for 9th overall (Horvat) would be the closest. Now would the flames and Devils both agree to a one for one trade of Markstrom for Mercer?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Good point I forgot about that trade. I would guess actually the Schneider for 9th overall (Horvat) would be the closest. Now would the flames and Devils both agree to a one for one trade of Markstrom for Mercer?

Flames would. I doubt the Devils do. Schneider was young and playing lights out.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Markstrom is going to be 35 this isn’t some young elite goalie.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yeah Conroy is obviously going to want the better player and Mercer is clearly better, but it’s not like Holtz is some bum being offered up. He’s in the NHL on a talented young team.

Stink eye Smith same age same term left and similar if not better stats and playoff performances better a 3rd and Brandon Hickey.

Holtz is a NHL player and a 1st is a significant piece as well. If that is indeed the offer and Conroy is refusing to move off Mercer that’s a major fumble on his part. I’m not saying that’s what’s happening but just a hypothetical scenario.

No goalie is going to get you a young top 6 C. I don’t think it’s ever happened.

If it is Holtz, I would be pretty firm on the first. Worst case, next years first but this years, preferably. Especially if the Flames are taking Vanichek back in the deal.

[868904]

Fitz is just being greeedy. He has TWO number 1 centres and a very good 3rd line centre in Haula.

Mercer is playing on the wing.

Just give up Mercer and be done with it.

NJ needs a goalie, Flames need a centre. It’s a perfect match and Fitz is just being a tool. Fitz not giving up Mercer, a centre which is what the Flames need and offering Holtz is like the Flames offering them Backlund when they need Markstrom.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Flames would. I doubt the Devils do. Schneider was young and playing lights out.

Age isn’t playing to our favour for sure. However Mercer is bottlenecked in the Devils depth chart with Jack Hughes and Nico Hischier ahead of him and I guess there’s about a 0% chance he supplants Hughes and a slight chance of beating Hischier for the 2C spot.

They must have a plan for him because that would be a bummer to Mercer being logjammed like that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He will have options and it won’t cost Mercer.

I agree he will have options, it is just that Brossoit is the absolute stud UFA goalie he can get. Never been a number one before but what time better than the present to find out if he can do it. And he keeps Mercer even if it does not work out.

[All In Good Time]

Now that markstrom has expressed his unhappiness publicly, waived for New Jersey (and assuming no one else) and may have even asked to be moved now, we will be fortunate to get a second

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Age isn’t playing to our favour for sure. However Mercer is bottlenecked in the Devils depth chart with Jack Hughes and Nico Hischier ahead of him and I guess there’s about a 0% chance he supplants Hughes and a slight chance of beating Hischier for the 2C spot.

They must have a plan for him because that would be a bummer to Mercer being logjammed like that.

No team has ever complained about having too much center depth.
The only jam is if they can’t afford Mercer’s next contract

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Now that markstrom has expressed his unhappiness publicly, waived for New Jersey (and assuming no one else) and may have even asked to be moved now, we will be fortunate to get a second

Then he’ll just remain a Flame unfortunately

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Then he’ll just remain a Flame unfortunately

At this point, after all that has allegedly happened, I’d move him for that
We gain cap room that we could use to get an extra pick or two brokering other transactions and get Wolf going to see if he has any NHL promise

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

when?

Never. Some people just like to make crap up.

(Yes, I know your question was rhetorical.).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If it’s Mercer which I highly doubt any GM would be offering a 22 year old 20 goal 2nd line C for a goalie, we are probably not getting anything else and may even have to retain.

New Jersey can just as easily go free agent shopping and sign a goalie.

And be in the exact same spot they are in now. They might as well keep Vanacek. Please enlighten us what the other options will be

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

No team has ever complained about having too much center depth.
The only jam is if they can’t afford Mercer’s next contract

Or Mercer requests a trade for more minutes / responsibility. I don’t see a huge raise coming for him with his limited responsibilities. All speculation of course.

[FusionX]

My bold (rose tinted glasses) prediction (wish). We hear nothing all day, kipper has an amazing jersey retirement ceremony. Then warmups, and bam, Vladar in starters net, Markstrom gives pucks plus his stick to fans. Markstrom 3rd star despite not playing, trade announced post game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by 868904

Fitz is just being greeedy. He has TWO number 1 centres and a very good 3rd line centre in Haula.

Mercer is playing on the wing.

Just give up Mercer and be done with it.

NJ needs a goalie, Flames need a centre. It’s a perfect match and Fitz is just being a tool. Fitz not giving up Mercer, a centre which is what the Flames need and offering Holtz is like the Flames offering them Backlund when they need Markstrom.

So they should just trade him because they have done great job and managing their team and accumulating depth?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And be in the exact same spot they are in now. They might as well keep Vanacek. Please enlighten us what the other options will be

LeBrun said the goalie market will be larger in the offseason.

Vanacek is a good tandem goalie having a bad season like Markstrom had last year.