[Rumour] NJD willing to trade for Markstrom in offseason if deal not reached before deadline

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

There is some…peculiarity to the whole situation.

I would not be surprised if the hiccup around waiving the NTC and a dispute on value of retention was a Murray Edwards issue. Him throwing a curveball at the 11th hour is certainly something we’ve heard in the past.

The whole situation is a bit bizarre. Ownership meddling would certainly help explain.

I think it is more likely that the hiccup is around some other variable, like Hanifin. If NJ was also trying to get a sign & trade Hanifin along with Markstrom but then found out that Hanifin would not sign with them, that is the kind of late stage wrench that could have impacted the trade.

I could see NJ still being interested in both Markstrom and Hanifin, even if Hanifin is just a rental. If that gets them to the playoffs, and hopefully Hamilton's return, then that would be a stacked team to run at the playoffs.

That would explain how this has gotten so messy with extra moving parts, namely players with NTCs and agents declining extensions.

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He also could just not make the deal for Holtz. No rush from the Flames perspective.

I feel like that's only if you look at it from a UFA status perspective. A big part of it was to get Wolf more playing time too, and if Markstrom stays, you have to start considering Vladar's status in Calgary. However, he's younger, cheaper and likely works better in a tandem (if that's what they're thinking). You could argue the off-season is a decent time for a trade, but right now, he's realistically the only vezina contender goalie available on the market which has value I feel.

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I think the strongest position we had was if/when we would retain on Markstom. We are going to get less for Markstrom at 100 percent, I think Mercer is a pipe dream at this point (for me at least). But Holtz is no slouch and still a good get.

Would people hypothetically prefer Holtz + 1st or Mercer straight up?

Honestly, I'd take Mercer I think. The gamble is the 1st becomes a center at his caliber, but right now they're just magic beans. Holtz certainly isn't a "consolation" prize so much as we just have too many wingers IMO. Coronato, Pelts, Sharangovich, Kuzmenko are the few I quickly think about not currently in the line-up or perhaps out of place. Then we add Holtz? Mercer just fills a big need

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by shutout

Players pointing blame at management.
Devils pointing blame at Flames.
Flames pointing blame at Devils.

Nothing gets done because to lack of trust.

Would t there need to be a 3rd Spider-Man in that gif then? Just kidding that’s what I think it is also

[Paulie Walnuts]

If it’s Mercer which I highly doubt any GM would be offering a 22 year old 20 goal 2nd line C for a goalie, we are probably not getting anything else and may even have to retain.

New Jersey can just as easily go free agent shopping and sign a goalie.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If it’s Mercer which I highly doubt any GM would be offering a 22 year old 20 goal 2nd line C for a goalie, we are probably not getting anything else and may even have to retain.

New Jersey can just as easily go free agent shopping and sign a goalie.

The Devils may not be offering Mercer but it seems likely that’s what Conroy is requiring to make the deal.

The rest of it could be the Devils looking for external pressure to execute the deal.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Looks like Markstrom starts tonight

Disappointing

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Disappointing

Tanev started every game before being traded..

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

There is some…peculiarity to the whole situation.

I would not be surprised if the hiccup around waiving the NTC and a dispute on value of retention was a Murray Edwards issue. Him throwing a curveball at the 11th hour is certainly something we’ve heard in the past.

The whole situation is a bit bizarre. Ownership meddling would certainly help explain.

when?

[bluejays]

At this point if all NJ is offering and intent on only offering, is Holtz, and the Flames don’t believe that’s the guy they want as the centrepiece, draw the line and say Mercer is the deal breaker. Not sure why it has to drag on. Deals shouldn’t be all that complicated despite the messaging. The cap situation isn’t all that complex when you have specialists behind the scenes. If Holtz doesn’t pass what they want, kill the deal and move on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

The Devils may not be offering Mercer but it seems likely that’s what Conroy is requiring to make the deal.

The rest of it could be the Devils looking for external pressure to execute the deal.

Yeah Conroy is obviously going to want the better player and Mercer is clearly better, but it’s not like Holtz is some bum being offered up. He’s in the NHL on a talented young team.

Stink eye Smith same age same term left and similar if not better stats and playoff performances better a 3rd and Brandon Hickey.

Holtz is a NHL player and a 1st is a significant piece as well. If that is indeed the offer and Conroy is refusing to move off Mercer that’s a major fumble on his part. I’m not saying that’s what’s happening but just a hypothetical scenario.

No goalie is going to get you a young top 6 C. I don’t think it’s ever happened.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by devo22

Mercer is an NHL player though

at this point, I fear the Mercer train has left the station though. If it's Holtz, then Conroy better try and get a center in a deal for Hanifin ... just can't stockpile wingers and have no centers.

Stockpile everything you can and then deal surplus for what you are missing.

Holtz and a 1st is two firsts.

[GioforPM]

There's only 6 days. Conroy may end up accepting the Holtz offer but he's probably just seeing if NJ gets more desperate. NJ isn't going away at this point. And if that frustrates Markstrom, well, he's not going to be a Flame anyway. And team performance isn't really an issue. not for half a week.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

when?

Most recently his rumoured involvement in the Gaudreau free agency. Previously the Zucker deal that was never made because he couldn’t be reached.

I’ve also heard second hand stories through the years from those that have worked with him that…things didn’t get done without it running up through him.

The point being: he’s an obstacle at the final stage of approval. The fact it got that far and fell apart in this deal…yeah. It wouldn’t surprise me let me put it that way.

[saillias]

Just about the Lebrun report, if they're "willing to do no salary retention" that's not really an advantage or enticement. That means they are sending back money. I think considering the Tanev trade and report they turned down 1sts that included bad contracts they probably would rather retain than take back their Haulas or whatever.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If it’s Mercer which I highly doubt any GM would be offering a 22 year old 20 goal 2nd line C for a goalie, we are probably not getting anything else and may even have to retain.

New Jersey can just as easily go free agent shopping and sign a goalie.

I think Markstrom is the last UFA goalie who has worked out. But maybe Tom grabs Laurent Brossoit and tries to make him a starting goalie at the age of 31. Brossoit is the best goalie on the UFA market this year and what better time than at the age of 31 to try to be a starting goalie.

[powderjunkie]

Y'all are out of your minds if you think Mercer is coming back.

I challenge anyone to cite one goalie trade that is remotely comparable

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think Markstrom is the last UFA goalie who has worked out. But maybe Tom grabs Laurent Brossoit and tries to make him a starting goalie at the age of 31. Brossoit is the best goalie on the UFA market this year and what better time than at the age of 31 to try to be a starting goalie.

He will have options and it won’t cost Mercer.

[Red Potato Standing By]

I doubt Markstrom will cost Mercer. Think it’s just wishful thinking.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Y'all are out of your minds if you think Mercer is coming back.

I challenge anyone to cite one goalie trade that is remotely comparable

Darcy Kuemper in 2022 returned Connor Timmins, a 2022 first and a 2024 3rd.
A little further back in 2016 you have Martin Jones fetching a 2016 first and Sean Kuraly.

While neither of those 2 prospects are anywhere near as good as Mercer projects, Markstrom is a considerably better goalie than the comparables. This also goes along with first round picks and the additional 3rd rounder in the Kuemper trade.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Darcy Kuemper in 2022 returned Connor Timmins, a 2022 first and a 2024 3rd.
A little further back in 2016 you have Martin Jones fetching a 2016 first and Sean Kuraly.

While neither of those 2 prospects are anywhere near as good as Mercer projects, Markstrom is a considerably better goalie than the comparables. This also goes along with first round picks and the additional 3rd rounder in the Kuemper trade.

Holtz and a 1st would still be the best return a goalie has had since Schneider