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[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well I don't know which Presidency is 'better' for Palestinians, but given the conflict I think you have to be pretty delusional to think that Biden is in any way 'good' for the people in Gaza.

So you think the guy who claims to have made Jerusalem the capital of Israel, and gave Netanyahu the cart blanche to start west bank settlements will be better for Gaza?

[Azure]

Where did I say Trump was better? I mean at this point the whataboutism is laughable.

[Monahammer]

You said you "didn't know which president was better for Palestine" when it is pretty obvious that one would be substantially worse, but ok. I don't think that's whataboutism when you brought up both Presidents.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Azure

Where did I say Trump was better? I mean at this point the whataboutism is laughable.

I'm not giving Biden a pass on what's happening in Gaza. I'm just saying Gaza is not a reason to stay home or vote 3rd party. You accomplish nothing positive for the Palestinians by voting 3rd party or staying home.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You said you "didn't know which president was better for Palestine" when it is pretty obvious that one would be substantially worse, but ok. I don't think that's whataboutism when you brought up both Presidents.

Because both are terrible and have done little to nothing to mobilize either Israel or the countries around Israel to give a ####.

So yes, it is whataboutism to offer literally nothing of value other than to say 'well is Trump better.'

No he's not. Now what?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Azure

Because both are terrible and have done little to nothing to mobilize either Israel or the countries around Israel to give a ####.

So yes, it is whataboutism to offer literally nothing of value other than to say 'well is Trump better.'

No he's not. Now what?

Unfortunately you have to accept that you personally can't do anything to affect the situation in Gaza other than to condemn the actions of Netanyahu and the IDF, and write to the leaders of your country and implore them to pause funding to Israel until the killing stops.

And while it's perfectly fair to criticize Biden for continuing to fund Israel through this situation, it's also important to provide context that Trump would be licking Netanyahu's boots throughout all of this if he were POTUS.

So no, it's not whataboutism to point out that Trump would be just as bad and likely worse. There's simply no way to stop the powers that be from killing Palestinians if the powers that be are unwilling to stop.

[Ozy_Flame]

Name a more romantic duo - Azure and bleeting about whataboutisms

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Sliver

A very on-brand take.

You think it was a mistake for Biden to not take a cognitive test? Guy.

The chances of him passing with flying colours are super low. That one test could sink his chances and doom the democrats.

If he did pass, best case scenario is the MAGAs would ignore it, but they'd more likely just twist it into looking like an abysmal failure.

Having him take a cognitive test is the dumbest thing the democrats could possibly do. It's all risk with zero upside.

You're a strange duck, dude.

I know you think this is just some left or right issue. That I just say things straight up for some sort of political gain. I don't think Trump is mentally fit to stand for office so that isn't it.

But if Biden is not mentally fit to stand for office or can't pass a cognitive test while running for a grueling job that requires 5 more intense years, isn't that a problem? Isn't that a greater risk then having someone else run as a Democrat?

The polling on this is pretty bang on when it comes to Biden and his age. It's not that offside to think what I am saying is some sort of strange take. Biden is about to embark on the campaign trail for a very intense period of months. If the concerns or lack of concerns regarding his mental health pop up, will that benefit anybody but the opposite side? Even the comedians are joking about how Biden. All the praise from the White House but can we get it on tape they say?

Would you trust the Flames if they said "Curves is the best chance for us to win a Stanley Cup. Far exceeding Kippers 2004 record breaking 1.69 GAA" Sooner or later if it's not true, you get exposed.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I know you think this is just some left or right issue. That I just say things straight up for some sort of political gain. I don't think Trump is mentally fit to stand for office so that isn't it.

But if Biden is not mentally fit to stand for office or can't pass a cognitive test while running for a grueling job that requires 5 more intense years, isn't that a problem? Isn't that a greater risk then having someone else run as a Democrat?

Thing is, Trump supporters don't care about whether or not he's fit for the office (or anything at all, really). They'll vote for him regardless. Biden supporters, on the other hand, do care if he's fit for the office, and they're more likely to refrain from voting if he's clearly shown to be unfit.

So by taking the "many sides both sides" stance, you're actually carrying water for Trump and his campaign.

Biden being the nominee is a risk due to his age, sure. But I ask you what's the point of litigating this over and over, he's going to be the nominee, all the complaining in the world isn't going to change that.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Thing is, Trump supporters don't care about whether or not he's fit for the office (or anything at all, really). They'll vote for him regardless. Biden supporters, on the other hand, do care if he's fit for the office, and they're more likely to refrain from voting if he's clearly shown to be unfit.

So by taking the "many sides both sides" stance, you're actually carrying water for Trump and his campaign.

Biden being the nominee is a risk due to his age, sure. But I ask you what's the point of litigating this over and over, he's going to be the nominee, all the complaining in the world isn't going to change that.

I am not carrying water for any campaign. I still think the risk is highest for the Democrats and for Biden's legacy the way the Democrats are going about this.

Bottom line: Trump, although an awful person, pretty much has the nomination lined up and virtually no Republican stands a chance to beat him. Let's call him Republican's best chance at the White House. Right or wrong, that appears to be the case.

For Biden, we have everybody pretending there isn't a problem, he doesn't have concerns. It's all just made up, nothing to see here. The White House tells us he's sharper and more precise than a precision rocket from the US Airforce. The way the White House talks about Biden is a more elegant level of bragging then what Trump would do.

Joe Biden isn't the A team and there is enough A team players on the roster that could fill in, but for reasons I don't understand, they keep insisting he is the guy to lead them.

Where this is going is more and more people who don't want Trump are OPENINLY questioning the logic here with Biden in a mocking way. "Where are the cameras and the proof" is what some have said. On a recent Real Time with Bill Maher, it was the sports equivalent of Biden needs to be canned, traded, stapled to the bench and sent down to the minors cause his performance will ruin the championship.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I know you think this is just some left or right issue. That I just say things straight up for some sort of political gain. I don't think Trump is mentally fit to stand for office so that isn't it.

But if Biden is not mentally fit to stand for office or can't pass a cognitive test while running for a grueling job that requires 5 more intense years, isn't that a problem? Isn't that a greater risk then having someone else run as a Democrat?

The polling on this is pretty bang on when it comes to Biden and his age. It's not that offside to think what I am saying is some sort of strange take. Biden is about to embark on the campaign trail for a very intense period of months. If the concerns or lack of concerns regarding his mental health pop up, will that benefit anybody but the opposite side? Even the comedians are joking about how Biden. All the praise from the White House but can we get it on tape they say?

Would you trust the Flames if they said "Curves is the best chance for us to win a Stanley Cup. Far exceeding Kippers 2004 record breaking 1.69 GAA" Sooner or later if it's not true, you get exposed.

lol, I shouldn't be surprised, but you never cease to amaze me in how you interpret the world around you incorrectly every single chance you get.

My point has nothing to do with left or right. It has to do with how dumb it is to think it would be a good idea for Biden to publicly take a cognitive test. It could only work against him, so why would he do it?

[Izzle]

Curves gotta be a Russian asset. It's the only way I can make sense of his posts.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Sliver

lol, I shouldn't be surprised, but you never cease to amaze me in how you interpret the world around you incorrectly every single chance you get.

My point has nothing to do with left or right. It has to do with how dumb it is to think it would be a good idea for Biden to publicly take a cognitive test. It could only work against him, so why would he do it?

I respectfully disagree. If you use a very standard, widely accepted test called the Montreal Cognitive Assessment that tests basic functions. It's a 10 minute test. I am sure Biden could pass it, he isn't a drooling idiot. He is functional and alert. My previous posts have always indicated that the Republicans and the extreme MAGA's have always had Biden as a drooling idiot. Frankly I think he has had a lot of issues but his health and his mind have sort of exceeded expectations in some ways. The risk is on a go forward basis and some of the evidence since then has shown that risk to be escalating and more openly discussed amongst Democrats or Biden/undecided voters.

I get why they didn't want to test but still, it's going to be a point of attack without a doubt. You have an opportunity to counter an attack and then you don't. It's a decision and a bet that will either pay off or it won't.

It's X's and O's on the political side and every side makes their decisions. Perhaps Trump takes the test again, fails quietly (possible) or passes and then loudly brags how competent he is mentally (he is not) and then pushes Biden to either capitulate or look like he is hiding dementia. If anything, that may actually be what happens here soon.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Izzle

Curves gotta be a Russian asset. It's the only way I can make sense of his posts.

Far from it if you actually can know my posts. We need a tough on Russia and company policy from the west. Too many people who need history lessons and think just because the west has had the geopolitical advantage for the last little while, it will forever continue. The other side is looking to take over and make us 2nd fiddle. Moscow/Beijing/Pyongyang/New Delhi and others are looking call the shots, not Washington and Europe.

Better to knock out the problems when they are more manageable with Putin and the cronies and the rest of the gang

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I get why they didn't want to test but still, it's going to be a point of attack without a doubt. You have an opportunity to counter an attack and then you don't. It's a decision and a bet that will either pay off or it won't.

The Republicans will lie about it anyway, whether about Trump or Biden. Let’s say Trump takes the test and fails… do you really think that would become public with any truth?

Even if Biden took it, do you really think that would shut the Republicans up? “See? We are right to criticize his mental state - they do too and had to test to make sure” or “the Democrats are lying - Biden didn’t pass”. Remember, anything they have accused others of, they are likely guilty of it first.

There is no good that can come of this

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Far from it if you actually can know my posts. We need a tough on Russia and company policy from the west.

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Better to knock out the problems when they are more manageable with Putin and the cronies and the rest of the gang

If you think Trump is the better option for this, given his buttering up to Puty-poo, his back-turning on NATO, and his creepy admiration for murderous dictators, then either you know something the rest of us don't or you're putting your head in the sand.

[Galakanokis]

One guy called his wife Mercedes. #### off with the bull####.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

One guy called his wife Mercedes. #### off with the bull####.

No, that actually didn't happen and has been proven to be a misunderstanding or reported inaccurately. Was referring to leadership at CPAC who is Mercedes Schlapp.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-mercedes-ins/

I never said Trump's all there

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

If you think Trump is the better option for this, given his buttering up to Puty-poo, his back-turning on NATO, and his creepy admiration for murderous dictators, then either you know something the rest of us don't or you're putting your head in the sand.

Some posters I think may need to the Montreal Cognitive Assessment test. I never said Trump or Biden are better for the above you referenced nor do I want another Trump Presidency.

I was told I was a Russian asset which is laughable considering how often I push needing a significantly stronger Russian policy.

[rubecube]

Can people stop replying to curves? The walls of text, full half-baked thoughts he thinks are profound, are getting more and more irritating to scroll past.