2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That trade probably has to start with Knies, Minten, Cowan and their 2024 1st round pick. Maybe add a few pieces like some 3rd and 4th round picks and maybe Brad can get a deal. Getting those two players with retention would cost a chunk. Just the retention is probably worth a 1st and Minten and then you have to figure out what Marky and Mang are worth.

To Toronto

Markstrom 25 % retained
Mangiapane 25 % retained
Duehr
3rd
7th

To Calgary
24 1st
Minten
Cowen
Knies
Samsonov
Reaves

[Krynn]

I think Hanifin is traded by morning and u think it's going to be a surprising team that gets him.i would tell jersey this is what I want for Markstrom take it or leave it.you have until Friday night to decide

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

To Toronto

Markstrom 25 % retained
Mangiapane 25 % retained
Duehr
3rd
7th

To Calgary
24 1st
Minten
Cowen
Knies
Samsonov
Reaves

Would absolutely love this but I just can't see a team giving up their top 3 prospects/young pieces AND a 1st.

[Heavy Jack]

It does make sense to a degree for Toronto though from an ‘all in’ perspective. Marky would be a massive get and Mangiapane would be an upgrade on Knies. Definitely a win with this core all-in move though and I agree it would be highly unlikely. Fun to see it written out though.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

To Toronto

Markstrom 25 % retained
Mangiapane 25 % retained
Duehr
3rd
7th

To Calgary
24 1st
Minten
Cowen
Knies
Samsonov
Reaves

To me that is probably close to fair. Cowan and a 1st for Marky, Knies for the retention and part of Mang and then Minten to round out the Mang package. Then I guess Duehr a 3rd and a 7th for the opportunity to re-sign Samsonov. Reaves has no value and would normally require a 4th or something just to take on.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by boogerz

I wouldn't be surprised to see Dumba re-up with Yotes. Even before signing with the Yotes, Phoenix was reportedly his off-season home and he loves it there.

Things might of changed but few years ago he rented a property off a friend for the summer, so he did use to spend his summers here.

[kyuss275]

Conroy on marek show right now said that they wanted either a defensemen prospect or centre prospect back in deal for tanev. Have to think now conny is hoping for a centre prospect back for hanifin

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Conroy on marek show right now said that they wanted either a defensemen prospect or centre prospect back in deal for tanev. Have to think now conny is hoping for a centre prospect back for hanifin

Sounds like he went in likely asking for Bourque and settled on Grush. Would've been fun to bring in a young QC center to try with Huby

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

They’re looking at $22 mil+ in cap space next season. Overpaying a #4-5 d-man by $1 mil won’t be an issue.

And if they’re serious about not rebuilding, it wouldn’t surprise me if they went after one of the big fish like Montour or Pesce.

The $22M will be burning a hole in their pocket for sure (how can it not), but as for being serious about not rebuilding, while I think that is true, they are acutely aware that they are better off next year as a bottom 10 team. They won't admit it publicly, but they know that one down year is in their best interest.

They have to grab at least one Dman though, but I suspect it will be more like another Pachal.

[TheScorpion]

I would go as far as to say they are greatly incentivized to be a bottom-10 team next year lest they give away their own (more valuable) draft pick instead of Florida's

One year in the gutter isn't going to kill anybody

[tony-soprano]

Trade Markstrom, sign Kipper.

[This post is terrible]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

One year in the gutter isn't going to kill anybody

Are you saying that from experience?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Sounds like he went in likely asking for Bourque and settled on Grush. Would've been fun to bring in a young QC center to try with Huby

I think he meant with all teams he was dealing with in regards to tanev. Bourque and grush are not even close to the same value. I highly doubt they could have gotten Bourque straight across for tanev. I mean I’m sure he asked initially but have to think from the first discussion they had with Dallas that Bourque would be a no go.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I think he meant with all teams he was dealing with in regards to tanev. Bourque and grush are not even close to the same value. I highly doubt they could have gotten Bourque straight across for tanev. I mean I’m sure he asked initially but have to think from the first discussion they had with Dallas that Bourque would be a no go.

Totally. Maybe the conversation started with Bourque and the stars offered only a 2nd

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The $22M will be burning a hole in their pocket for sure (how can it not), but as for being serious about not rebuilding, while I think that is true, they are acutely aware that they are better off next year as a bottom 10 team. They won't admit it publicly, but they know that one down year is in their best interest.

They have to grab at least one Dman though, but I suspect it will be more like another Pachal.

I really kinda hope that what Conroy prioritizes with the cap space is signing your guys longterm to deals that may be overpays in years 1-3 when it does not matter and your are not competitive with the hopes that they are deals in years 4-8.

If they are confident this offseason that Zary is going to be a 60+ point forward sign him to a 8 year 40 million dollar deal this offseason if his agent is willing. Does not hurt you in the first couple years because you have more cap space than you can use but could be a killer deal in a 105 million dollar cap world in 2028.

If you think Kylington can be a top 4 dman offer him a similar type deal for the same reasons.

Rinse and repeat the process on any young guys you think are part of your longterm core with the hope that you end up with value contracts in your outlying years. If you need more proof that they are part of the core sign them to shorter deals like the Pospisil one. Only after you have locked in the young guys do you go UFA hunting.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I really kinda hope that what Conroy prioritizes with the cap space is signing your guys longterm to deals that may be overpays in years 1-3 when it does not matter and your are not competitive with the hopes that they are deals in years 4-8.

If they are confident this offseason that Zary is going to be a 60+ point forward sign him to a 8 year 40 million dollar deal this offseason if his agent is willing. Does not hurt you in the first couple years because you have more cap space than you can use but could be a killer deal in a 105 million dollar cap world in 2028.

If you think Kylington can be a top 4 dman offer him a similar type deal for the same reasons.

Rinse and repeat the process on any young guys you think are part of your longterm core with the hope that you end up with value contracts in your outlying years. If you need more proof that they are part of the core sign them to shorter deals like the Pospisil one. Only after you have locked in the young guys do you go UFA hunting.

Didn’t the flames try this with Mangiapane and it has been less than ideal? And that was only for three years. Can’t imagine you’d want to swing and miss on too many of those if you’re looking for 8 years.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Conroy on marek show right now said that they wanted either a defensemen prospect or centre prospect back in deal for tanev. Have to think now conny is hoping for a centre prospect back for hanifin

BOS: Beecher

TOR: Minten/Cowen

TB: Goncalves

FLA: Sawchyn

DET: Soderblom (or maybe Danielson is they’re confident they can sign Hanifin)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I really kinda hope that what Conroy prioritizes with the cap space is signing your guys longterm to deals that may be overpays in years 1-3 when it does not matter and your are not competitive with the hopes that they are deals in years 4-8.

If they are confident this offseason that Zary is going to be a 60+ point forward sign him to a 8 year 40 million dollar deal this offseason if his agent is willing. Does not hurt you in the first couple years because you have more cap space than you can use but could be a killer deal in a 105 million dollar cap world in 2028.

If you think Kylington can be a top 4 dman offer him a similar type deal for the same reasons.

Rinse and repeat the process on any young guys you think are part of your longterm core with the hope that you end up with value contracts in your outlying years. If you need more proof that they are part of the core sign them to shorter deals like the Pospisil one. Only after you have locked in the young guys do you go UFA hunting.

I think they will need a full season to evaulate Kylington before going long term. Zary I'd have more confidence in going long.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

BOS: Beecher

TOR: Minten/Cowen

TB: Goncalves

FLA: Sawchyn

DET: Soderblom (or maybe Danielson is they’re confident they can sign Hanifin)

Don't forget
NJD: Mercer

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by jar_e

Didn’t the flames try this with Mangiapane and it has been less than ideal? And that was only for three years. Can’t imagine you’d want to swing and miss on too many of those if you’re looking for 8 years.

That was a bit of an outlier, Mang just came off a 30+ goal season which inflated his value.

See the Ras contract, many around the league reacted with the classic "Who?" when we signed him to his current deal, look how sweet it is now. Same with Lindy, Hanifin etc.

I mean just look at NJ, Hughes and Bratt at 8mil a piece is larceny.