2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Seems like there continues to be smoke about Kyrou in St Louis and a potential move this summer. What would that kind of trade look like? He’s 25. Signed long term for 8.125M. If I’m Conroy I’m taking a good run at him this summer

Problem is they are not going to be giving him away for nothing. It’s going to cost a lot . If flames are using draft capital and other things to acquire players it better be for a centre.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Problem is they are not going to be giving him away for nothing. It’s going to cost a lot . If flames are using draft capital and other things to acquire players it better be for a centre.

If they just want him gone I don’t know how much he will actually cost. Not too many team can take 8 million in cap without dumping bad contracts and there is a reason beyond rebuilding to move him otherwise Thomas would be on the block as well.
I bet he goes for cheap unless St Louis eats bad long term salary

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Haha outside if the English lesson from you Lanny I very much agree with what you are saying. Barring a big drop in the standings, the Flames are unlikely to get into the top 7-8 in this draft and will likely not be in a position to trade for blue chip “A” prospects either.

I think the way Conroy is handling this is the best he can do. And he’s adding a lot of bullets to the chamber. The Flames are likely a top 5 drafting and developing team at the moment so I’d say this approach gives the Flames the best odds to hit one of those rare elite players, and with more picks they might swing for a few more fences as well.

A top 5 pick would be ideal, but pending some serious lottery luck it just isn’t in the cards for 2024

I think you are underestimating how bad the defense will be once Hanifin is gone. Let alone if they figure out the Markstrom trade.

[TheIronMaiden]

Okay so... whens the next trade?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Okay so... whens the next trade?

I’ll guess Tuesday of next week.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think you are underestimating how bad the defense will be once Hanifin is gone. Let alone if they figure out the Markstrom trade.

I'd argue that losing Tanev is as big of a blow as losing Hanifin. People forget what a steadying force Tanev always has been, whether it was with Hanifin or Kylington or whoever. Everyone who he played with thrived.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I don’t have any desire to move Mangiapane unless it is a big overpay. Top 4 forward league wide in even strength points last year, top 2-3 forward this year in even strength points. 84th in the league over the last two years at even strength scoring. Higher than guys like Brad Marchand, Chris Kreider, Seth Jarvis. If a team is going to overpay for him sure, but no real need to move out a fairly elite even strength points producer.

I am less inclined to move Mangiapane if they keep Markstrom. If they do a deal with the Devils and Holtz is coming back then I think they should make room for him or even Coronato to come back up. Only if the deal makes sense for Calgary but he makes sense to retain on if a team wants to pay up. Could be a summer/rental deal next year.

[TheIronMaiden]

The condition of the D in a post Tanev Hanifin Flames will be interesting

Weeger - Andersson ( will need to play monster minutes)
Kyllington - Pachal ( should be ok)
Gilbert - Oesterle ( yikes)
Solovyov ( rotate him on the bottom pair)

[Heavy Jack]

I hope the leafs keep getting rocked 6-2 before the deadline. What would you need from them if we were trading them a 25 % retained Mangiapane and 25 % retained Markstrom while taking back Samsonov and Reaves?

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think you are underestimating how bad the defense will be once Hanifin is gone. Let alone if they figure out the Markstrom trade.

I might be…this team will be in tough to win a lot of games if Hanifin and Markstrom are gone as well (I hope they are).

That said, to get into the top 7 as I suggested, they will need to get lower than Montreal with 54 points to the flames 63. 9 points is a huge gap to close, and Montreal is likely to do more selling as well

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I'd argue that losing Tanev is as big of a blow as losing Hanifin. People forget what a steadying force Tanev always has been, whether it was with Hanifin or Kylington or whoever. Everyone who he played with thrived.

This. Tanev was the D equivalent of Backlund on the Flames. Anybody you paired with him was just immediately better.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The condition of the D in a post Tanev Hanifin Flames will be interesting

Weeger - Andersson ( will need to play monster minutes)
Kyllington - Pachal ( should be ok)
Gilbert - Oesterle ( yikes)
Solovyov ( rotate him on the bottom pair)

I’d split the experience across all 3 pairings

Gilbert - Andersson
Weegar - Oesterle
Kylington- Pachal

In the 3rd, if trailing revert to your pairings above and lean on Weegar/Andersson/Kylington.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I’d split the experience across all 3 pairings

Gilbert - Andersson
Weegar - Oesterle
Kylington- Pachal

In the 3rd, if trailing revert to your pairings above and lean on Weegar/Andersson/Kylington.

I see your point but I believe you need a solid top pair who can go out on home ice against Mackinnon and company.

[SuperMatt18]

I wouldn't mind seeing more of Kuznetsov.

I actually like him in that lone game he played more than I expected and think he could replace some of what Tanev brought in terms of defensive play / PK.

[Toonage]

I felt like Kuznetsov as the victim of some rough luck in his brief time up here. I'd also like to see more of him.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I see your point but I believe you need a solid top pair who can go out on home ice against Mackinnon and company.

I can respect that angle as well, at some point you have to trust in the youth too, this is all really good experience for them too with the flames as close in the race as they are currently. Against the juggernauts, with the Mackinnons of the league, sure roll out that top pair much of the night, but let the other players eat some minutes against the mid to weaker teams where we have typically had rough results anyways when it’s mattered most the last few years.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

This. Tanev was the D equivalent of Backlund on the Flames. Anybody you paired with him was just immediately better.

Yeah. I think Hanifin's warts are going to start showing more now that Tanev is gone.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I can respect that angle as well, at some point you have to trust in the youth too, this is all really good experience for them too with the flames as close in the race as they are currently. Against the juggernauts, with the Mackinnons of the league, sure roll out that top pair much of the night, but let the other players eat some minutes against the mid to weaker teams where we have typically had rough results anyways when it’s mattered most the last few years.

You're right, I'd love to see them treat the top D prospects Kuznetsov,
Solovyov, and Grushnikov get some looks. Hell it would be neat to see if Lyle or Poirier get grooving.

I couldn't imagine how ugly things would look without Pachal and Kyllington in theline up.

[The Fonz]

Hot-ish take - Hanifin is traded prior to the next Flames game, Saturday @ 9pm.

There was a rumour that Conroy told teams to bring their best offers forward cause it was time for these assets to move, and then Tanev was traded the very next day, IIRC.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The condition of the D in a post Tanev Hanifin Flames will be interesting

Weeger - Andersson ( will need to play monster minutes)
Kyllington - Pachal ( should be ok)
Gilbert - Oesterle ( yikes)
Solovyov ( rotate him on the bottom pair)

With the cap space the Flames will have, they’ll be active in the UFA market. I expect they’ll come away with a 2nd or 3rd pairing RHD.