02-28-2024, 12:37 PM
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#1821
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by jg13
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MBates can say more than me but I always figure a jury trial is chosen by defendantswho have a weak legal case and hope to appeal to emotions on various issues. And consent is one of those. But it may backfire.
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02-28-2024, 12:38 PM
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#1822
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
Tried as a group?
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Makes sense. It just means one trial for all the accused, as opposed to separate trials for each one.
Otherwise, you'd have to have the victim (and all the other witnesses, including the accused) testify at each trial. You'd also have multiple different findings of fact on the same events.
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02-28-2024, 12:39 PM
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#1823
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall
Makes sense. It just means one trial for all the accused, as opposed to separate trials for each one.
Otherwise, you'd have to have the victim (and all the other witnesses, including the accused) testify at each trial. You'd also have multiple different findings of fact on the same events.
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Makes it easier to point out inconsistencies in the defendants' evidence (and they almost certainly will testify).
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02-28-2024, 12:51 PM
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#1824
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Not directly related to this ongoing story, but more in relation to the questions brought up about Billeting culture and the CHL:
https://www.tsn.ca/chl/former-peterb...ayer-1.2082086
Awful story today. Probably another big blow against the CHL. How can you really trust other billeting families and parents?
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02-28-2024, 01:00 PM
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#1825
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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legal question: they're individually charged. so if they're trialed as a group, is it possible for the jury to convict on some charges but not all?
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02-28-2024, 01:02 PM
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#1826
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Locke
And if you post in it, it tends to jump to the top of the forum. Thats weird isnt it?
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I'll put a stop to this.
Oh...wait.
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02-28-2024, 01:02 PM
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#1827
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby
legal question: they're individually charged. so if they're trialed as a group, is it possible for the jury to convict on some charges but not all?
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Yes, definitely.
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02-28-2024, 01:39 PM
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#1829
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Not directly related to this ongoing story, but more in relation to the questions brought up about Billeting culture and the CHL:
https://www.tsn.ca/chl/former-peterb...ayer-1.2082086
Awful story today. Probably another big blow against the CHL. How can you really trust other billeting families and parents?
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Weird how they don’t list the billet’s name. Like expose the creep.
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02-28-2024, 01:41 PM
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#1830
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Participant
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Originally Posted by Salt Water Cowboy #10
Weird how they don’t list the billet’s name. Like expose the creep.
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I assume because it would then identify the underage player.
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02-28-2024, 02:46 PM
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#1831
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Snazu
Give them the ol' paper bag treatment.
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I approve
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02-28-2024, 02:49 PM
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#1832
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Not directly related to this ongoing story, but more in relation to the questions brought up about Billeting culture and the CHL:
https://www.tsn.ca/chl/former-peterb...ayer-1.2082086
Awful story today. Probably another big blow against the CHL. How can you really trust other billeting families and parents?
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02-28-2024, 02:52 PM
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#1833
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy14
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Is Joinder and Severance the bollywood remake of Harold and Kumar?
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02-28-2024, 02:53 PM
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#1834
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Question for the lawyers, but is it easier to get a mistrial if you choose a jury? I am just thinking that more people, more moving parts, and more chances of error. Maybe they are thinking long term and hoping that a jury member makes a mistake or there is an issue with the selection process, and after enduring one trial, the accuser may back out of a retrial.
It seems like a plausible strategy, but I don't know if that is actually something people hedge their bets on.
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02-28-2024, 03:58 PM
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#1835
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Question for the lawyers, but is it easier to get a mistrial if you choose a jury? I am just thinking that more people, more moving parts, and more chances of error. Maybe they are thinking long term and hoping that a jury member makes a mistake or there is an issue with the selection process, and after enduring one trial, the accuser may back out of a retrial.
It seems like a plausible strategy, but I don't know if that is actually something people hedge their bets on.
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The hope is for an error in the charge to the jury by the judge, but that's not a mistrial, it's an appeal. Jury selection is not the big deal people think it is from movies and TV. I don't know what you mean by a jruy member making a mistake. Like leaking info or something?
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02-28-2024, 04:01 PM
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#1836
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
The hope is for an error in the charge to the jury by the judge, but that's not a mistrial, it's an appeal. Jury selection is not the big deal people think it is from movies and TV. I don't know what you mean by a jruy member making a mistake. Like leaking info or something?
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Yeah, it's all in the charge or admissibility of evidence. There's actually less room for appeal because jurors don't provide reasons for their decision.
And a mistrial isn't great, you just get to do absolutely everything over again. Also, hung juries aren't exactly common in Alberta, there's almost always a unanimous decision.
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02-28-2024, 04:29 PM
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#1837
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
The hope is for an error in the charge to the jury by the judge, but that's not a mistrial, it's an appeal. Jury selection is not the big deal people think it is from movies and TV. I don't know what you mean by a jruy member making a mistake. Like leaking info or something?
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Thanks. Yeah, by mistake I meant maybe leaking something.
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02-28-2024, 05:08 PM
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#1838
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
No one is forced to go anywhere they dont want too.
It's a bit of a reach to even suggest that as there are other avenues to play competitive beyond major junior.
Also, how do kids from the thousands of communities across the country that dont have "local" higher level teams, plan on playing higher competition without going somewhere else to do so?
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The 15-20 age gap is kinda absurd. I don't know how the ages actually break out, but bumping it to 16 or 17 would seem sensible. An elite ecosystem would emerge to fill the vacuum in each major centre; rural kids would still need to relocate but they would retain a lot more control of where/when/how.
This would also mean a lot less nights on the road, less unsupervised time for 20 year olds to pay the hazing forward, etc.
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02-28-2024, 05:13 PM
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#1839
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Not directly related to this ongoing story, but more in relation to the questions brought up about Billeting culture and the CHL:
https://www.tsn.ca/chl/former-peterb...ayer-1.2082086
Awful story today. Probably another big blow against the CHL. How can you really trust other billeting families and parents?
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Yeah, let's call into question the integrity of all the other billet families in the entire country who have opened up their homes and families lives and try to help these kids, who have to leave their families at such a young age, be as comfortable as possible as they strive to make their dreams of playing pro hockey a reality, just because some pervert out there snuck through the vetting system and did something deplorable.
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02-28-2024, 05:19 PM
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#1840
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Sounds like they're planning a 'Boys will be Boys' defence.
I hope nobody buys that.
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