2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If Hanifin is a pure rental, then yes, he’s probably ahead of Hughes today. But if he’s a pure rental, that affects his trade value.

That’s the difficulty with dealing Hanifin. If you want to get full value, you want him to go to a team that has a good chance to sign him. But most teams in playoff contention will have trouble fitting an $8+ mil d-man into their cap structure going forward. Especially a LHD.

I do agree with you there but I think a team will step up today and ask questions tomorrow if Hanifin confirms he’d extend. Pieces like Hanifin don’t come along too often, just like Tkachuk. Now obviously the contract situation is different than Tkachuk as well as the time the trade would go down so we aren’t getting true high end established players back but I do think a team will step up with a 1st, blue chip and young roster player with ceiling to be met.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I can’t help but laugh while being annoyed that the one year the Flames commit to be true blue sellers is the year that all the pundits are saying that the prices just aren’t there. How convenient lol and I don’t buy it for a minute. Keep squeezing Conroy, a GM or two will break soon here.

Is what it is.

I don't get wrapped up in returns, ... just do the best you can with the market at hand.

I think the bullet is dodged and the retool saved just by the fact that they didn't sign Toffoli for 6 years and Lindholm for 8.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Is what it is.

I don't get wrapped up in returns, ... just do the best you can with the market at hand.

I think the bullet is dodged and the retool saved just by the fact that they didn't sign Toffoli for 6 years and Lindholm for 8.

This is key. I don't want to crap on those players now they are gone but those contracts would have likely aged poorly. The organization simply has to make the best of the picks and prospects they get out of this season and move on as the ebbs and flows of the market is out of their control. I still feel that the prices will be there as it's just a matter of the first team to go all-in and there will be a few teams that go for it in this game of deadline poker.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think its that teams don't have much to offer, its that what we want will likely put them in a deficit in assets and cap crunches.

Imagine the Flames squeezing in Stone that TDL, no Andersson or Kylington no draft picks and a cap crunch with him and Tkachuk.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Lindholm got Norris consideration last season. He’s better than any Dman on the Flames. The fact the Bruins have two of the top 10-15 d-men in the league is a big reason why they’re still an elite team after the departures of Bergeron and Krejci.

I actually don't see a lot of difference between Lindholm and Hanifin to be honest.

That year is a bit of an outlier IMO, and he was playing on one of the best regular season teams in NHL history.

If you look at the whole body of work I think they are probably pretty close to being equal.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

On Boston he would be a #3 behind MacAvoy and Lindholm

On Florida he would be a #3/4 behind Ekblad, Montour, and maybe Forsling.

On NJ he would be a #3 behind Hamilton and Hughes (and probably Nemec eventually).

On TB he would be a #2/3 behind Hedman and maybe Sergachev.

The only two on that entire list that are clear and direct upgrades are McAvoy and Hedman.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I can’t help but laugh while being annoyed that the one year the Flames commit to be true blue sellers is the year that all the pundits are saying that the prices just aren’t there. How convenient lol and I don’t buy it for a minute. Keep squeezing Conroy, a GM or two will break soon here.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Is what it is.

I don't get wrapped up in returns, ... just do the best you can with the market at hand.

I think the bullet is dodged and the retool saved just by the fact that they didn't sign Toffoli for 6 years and Lindholm for 8.

It's also why I feel like if the rumoured Holtz+1st+Casey package offered is true then the Flames would be foolish not to take it for Markstrom.

You need to move Markstrom to make sure your pick is top 10 next year, and if that package is true is way better value than you would have expected even 2-3 months ago.

It would really help soften the blows of soft returns for Hanifin and Tanev, if you could get a great package for Markstrom.

[getoverit]

I just don’t think we’re getting that for Marky. Luv it to be true but ain’t happening

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's also why I feel like if the rumoured Holtz+1st+Casey package offered is true then the Flames would be foolish not to take it for Markstrom.

You need to move Markstrom to make sure your pick is top 10 next year, and if that package is true is way better value than you would have expected even 2-3 months ago.

It would really help soften the blows of soft returns for Hanifin and Tanev, if you could get a great package for Markstrom.

[Toonage]

All this being said, and after listening to Flames Talk yesterday, if I wasn't already of this opinion I'd be sitting Tanev starting tonight and considering sitting Hanifin pretty soon as well.

Both of these delas may well go down to the morning of the 8th and I'd hate to see them playing these guys up until the night before. Sitting them out 4 games isn't the end of the world at this point, or an enormous disservice or insult to the player IMO. This is whats best for the club at this point.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

The only two on that entire list that are clear and direct upgrades are McAvoy and Hedman.

We’ll find out in less than 2 wks his true value around the league

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This is key. I don't want to crap on those players now they are gone but those contracts would have likely aged poorly. The organization simply has to make the best of the picks and prospects they get out of this season and move on as the ebbs and flows of the market is out of their control. I still feel that the prices will be there as it's just a matter of the first team to go all-in and there will be a few teams that go for it in this game of deadline poker.

Yeah me neither.

Both quality players (Lindholm in an odd funk this season though).

Those two on shorter term deals and you'd have to look at it. But the team missed the playoffs last year with both of them ... just didn't make sense to add to the Kadri / Huberdeau age out pile.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

We’ll find out in less than 2 wks his true value around the league

You won't solve the question above in two weeks.

All you'll solve is what the market for Noah Hanifin is right now ... whether he's a 1, 2 or 3.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Toonage

These are all borderline awful.

Ooof really. I think they are quite realistic.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

@Sandman,

I trust your scouting assessments, what's better for the team, Ewoks or Smurfs?

Smurfs are blue. Oilers are blue. Draft Ewoks.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Toonage

These are all borderline awful.

I think some of the speculation on this board has gotten hopes of returns way out of line with what we are going to see.

The Lindholm trade was top-shelf, they aren't all going to be like that.

[Jason14h]

Some ESPN trade ideas for today

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/sto...ayers-playoffs

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ooof really. I think they are quite realistic.

Realistic and awful. Fans need to get prepared that we're not getting massive overpays in these deals. We're not getting Mercer. We're not getting Bourque or Stankoven. We're not getting Lundell.

[Heavy Jack]

The crazy thing is that Lindy was having by far his worst season in a long time on the heels of a prior season that was a drop-off that was expected. Hanifin on the other hand is as good as he’s ever been and seems to be ascending to another level. He should at least return what Lindy did but I guess we will see how the market plays out. Looking forward to the dust settling to see what we’re left with ahead of the draft!

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Some ESPN trade ideas for today

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/sto...ayers-playoffs

So who here works for ESPN?

[TheIronMaiden]

We won't know what the real value of these deals are until 3 years down the road. I know its fun to dig in, but these roster players for futures deals normally need us to zoom out.