2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

GMs need to think more outside the box in this sport. The Flames will need extra picks in 2025, 2026, 2027 and beyond. Extra picks are never bad, so if a team doesn't have their 2024 1st rounder, take one in the future. The further into the future you go, the better chance the current top teams are on the downswing and you could get a top 10 or even top 5 pick.

True... but it's also more likely that they'll want lotto protection nowadays.

[traptor]

I think they're decent.

Not really sure what people were expecting.

Most of them are a 1st+young roster player+decent prospect.

I actually think boston deal is the worst.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Well today is off to a great start

Yeah I watched it for the millionth time and I now feel like I crushed a 6 pack of red bull.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Toonage

These are all borderline awful.

Are they? Lohrei and Casey are worth mid 1st rounders themselves. Howard a late 1st. Beecher and Bahl are worth at least a 2nd each. All the deals are the equivalent of two 1sts and a 2nd. Which seems pretty good for the rental of a #2/3 dman.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I get that, but even then I would hope our GM tries harder to extract more than whats there and even work on a sign and trade with comparable markets to the one Noah maybe seems intent on.

The trades suggested by the Athletic have a "I give up, guess we'll take what we can get" vibe.

We’re immediately better with Hanifin staying, and we’re better in the future with Hanifin staying, than those offers. In my opinion. So yeah, better than nothing I guess. I personally pivot right back to keeping him if this is the market.

[Toonage]

^^ For Noah Hanifin? 27 year old 3/4 D, 25 minutes a night, could sign with your team for 8 years at $7.5M, yeah they're all borderline awful.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^^ For Noah Hanifin? 27 year old 3/4 D, 25 minutes a night, could sign with your team for 8 years at $7.5M, yeah they're all borderline awful.

3/4D?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

We’re immediately better with Hanifin staying, and we’re better in the future with Hanifin staying, than those offers. In my opinion. So yeah, better than nothing I guess. I personally pivot right back to keeping him if this is the market.

This will raise hackles I'm sure, but if this is the return they're looking at, I go back to Noah with 8x$8.5

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah I watched it for the millionth time and I now feel like I crushed a 6 pack of red bull.

Hahahaha, me too man, every time I watch that I’m jacked up afterwards. I’m gonna go lift a car or something!

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

3/4D?

On other teams? Probably. Here, 1/2

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Toonage

No, it would obviously be working hand in hand with Hanifin. Couldn't do it otherwise.

Well
I know if I was Hanifin and I said "ok, if you can work out a deal with A, B or C I'm open to signing an extension for that"
and
A week or two later you come back and say "what about F?", Id be inclined to say forget it, I'll just sign with A, B or C in the summer.
I think it is starting to look like none of the teams that Hanifin is willing to go to is offering anything of value, or maybe they are waiting till summer too. Its also possible that a bidding war has started, we have no clue.
But
I think the chances of Hanifin being moved as a rental are growing and the returns might be a lot less than we've been led to expect up to now

[Heavy Jack]

And I mean a lot of people might argue Weegar - Andersson is consider the top pairing to Hanifin - Tanev. Noah is a 3 on the teams looking to add/extend him. He’s a 1-2 on the Columbus's and edmontons of the world.

[prizefighterinferno]

Originally Posted by Toonage

On other teams? Probably. Here, 1/2

I've been fairly critical of Hanifin for much of his time in Calgary (perhaps not on CP but my wife has gotten an earful at times hahah) but despite not being a true #1, Hanifin - particularly this year - is a very capable top pair D on any pair in the league, ideally as a rock solid minute muncher next to a more dynamic offensive D. Devon Toews comes to mind.

He's good.

[SuperMatt18]

He's a 2/3 on any team (including the Flames IMO)

Boston: McAvoy is the clear one, Lindholm/Hanifin would be the 2/3
Tampa Bay: Hedman is the clear one, Sergachev/Hanifin probably the 2/3
Florida: Not sure they'd have a clear 1...feels like Ekblad, Montour, Forsling, and Hanifin would all be 2/3's but when you have 4 of them it's okay to not have a clear 1
New Jersey: Hamilton likely the 1 when healthy, Hanifin the 2, with young guys like Hughes, and Nemec pushing for those top 2 spots.
Dallas: Heiskanen would be the 1, Hanifin/Harley probably the 2/3

I can't really think of any team where he'd be the 4th best d-man.

[Heavy Jack]

I can’t help but laugh while being annoyed that the one year the Flames commit to be true blue sellers is the year that all the pundits are saying that the prices just aren’t there. How convenient lol and I don’t buy it for a minute. Keep squeezing Conroy, a GM or two will break soon here.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

3/4D?

On Boston he would be a #3 behind MacAvoy and Lindholm

On Florida he would be a #3/4 behind Ekblad, Montour, and maybe Forsling.

On NJ he would be a #3 behind Hamilton and Hughes (and probably Nemec eventually).

On TB he would be a #2/3 behind Hedman and maybe Sergachev.

[Heavy Jack]

Luke Hughes is in his rookie season, sure one day he will likely surpass Hanifin but that day isn’t today.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He's a 2/3 on any team (including the Flames IMO)

Boston: McAvoy is the clear one, Lindholm/Hanifin would be the 2/3
Tampa Bay: Hedman is the clear one, Sergachev/Hanifin probably the 2/3
Florida: Not sure they'd have a clear 1...feels like Ekblad, Montour, Forsling, and Hanifin would all be 2/3's but when you have 4 of them it's okay to not have a clear 1
New Jersey: Hamilton likely the 1 when healthy, Hanifin the 2, with young guys like Hughes, and Nemec pushing for those top 2 spots.
Dallas: Heiskanen would be the 1, Hanifin/Harley probably the 2/3

I can't really think of any team where he'd be the 4th best d-man.

Lindholm got Norris consideration last season. He’s better than any Dman on the Flames. The fact the Bruins have two of the top 10-15 d-men in the league is a big reason why they’re still an elite team after the departures of Bergeron and Krejci.

[traptor]

Some of you had overly optmistic expectations. I guess everyone wants a seth jones type of return.

Some of these packages are better then hampus Lindholm return.
That's more then what Horvat got.

A mid-to-late 1st + a mid-to-late 1st round prospect + a young NHLer is good value for a pending UFA.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Luke Hughes is in his rookie season, sure one day he will likely surpass Hanifin but that day isn’t today.

If Hanifin is a pure rental, then yes, he’s probably ahead of Hughes today. But if he’s a pure rental, that affects his trade value.

That’s the difficulty with dealing Hanifin. If you want to get full value, you want him to go to a team that has a good chance to sign him. But most teams in playoff contention will have trouble fitting an $8+ mil d-man into their cap structure going forward. Especially a LHD. And has been discussed already, most of the teams in contention looking for help on D have already traded away their 1sts.