2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[dissentowner]

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Originally Posted by Sofa GM

100% zero chance that is the offer on the table, the deal would be done already. If you subtract Mercer it’s probably closer to reality.

If you take Mercer out of that deal I would be pissed. That is the rumoured return the Devils offered for Markstrom with 50% retention. So you would give them an extended Hanifin for free? F that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

A 1st and Holtz is an overpayment for a goalie in my mind.

The thought of Treliving sending our 1st for Bishop still haunts me.

It was close to getting Bishop. Instead we traded a 2nd (and a conditional 3rd that we never had to use because Elliott was so bad) for Elliott, a 3rd and a prospect for Smith and then used a 1st and two seconds for Hamonic.

Bishop went on to have 3 decent seasons and one season (the year the Flames finished first) where he was arguably the best goalie in the league (finishing second in Vezina voting). Probably dodged a bullet and used the assets that we would have given up (and more) to secure Elliott, Smith and Hamonic.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

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If you take Mercer out of that deal I would be pissed. That is the rumoured return the Devils offered for Markstrom with 50% retention. So you would give them an extended Hanifin for free? F that.

Sorry Diss, I didn’t think Casey and Vanecek were part of rumoured Markstrom deal. So my mistake. If that was the case then there needs to be a big add.

Just find it hard to believe they would offer Mercer, Holtz and Casey along with a 1st. That would be robbery for Conroy.

[timbit]

Stankoven with his first point in the NHL helps Dallas tie it 1-1 with Islanders.

Perhaps, he is in the lineup for teams to have a look. His 2nd game in the NHL.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It was close to getting Bishop. Instead we traded a 2nd (and a conditional 3rd that we never had to use because Elliott was so bad) for Elliott, a 3rd and a prospect for Smith and then used a 1st and two seconds for Hamonic.

Bishop went on to have 3 decent seasons and one season (the year the Flames finished first) where he was arguably the best goalie in the league (finishing second in Vezina voting). Probably dodged a bullet and used the assets that we would have given up (and more) to secure Elliott, Smith and Hamonic.

Yeah, it’s a pretty good cautionary tale for New Jersey.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It was close to getting Bishop. Instead we traded a 2nd (and a conditional 3rd that we never had to use because Elliott was so bad) for Elliott, a 3rd and a prospect for Smith and then used a 1st and two seconds for Hamonic.

Bishop went on to have 3 decent seasons and one season (the year the Flames finished first) where he was arguably the best goalie in the league (finishing second in Vezina voting). Probably dodged a bullet and used the assets that we would have given up (and more) to secure Elliott, Smith and Hamonic.

All those trades sucked. We also would have tied up 7x7 to Bishop.

I just don’t like trading 1sts for a goalie was what I was getting at.

That’s why Holtz and a 1st feels like an overpayment for Markstrom.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by bigpete

So why is everyone always creaming their drawers for Lundell, can someone give me a scouting report? Honestly don't know too much about him. Does he project to be a 1C? 2-way 2C? Solid defensive minded 3C?

Late to the discussion, but here's my two cents.

Lundell seamlessly entered the NHL and was able to have a very strong first year offensively, but part of that was playing with Reinhart and Mason Marchment for the vast majority of the year. Most of that was even strength too. He had eye popping advanced stat metrics for a rookie with an xG% of 55.4%. Strong defensive metrics and drove the puck consistently into the offensive zone. All while having offensive zone starts of just 48%.

That xG% number dropped a little the last two years to 53 and 52%, and he's been given a lot more offensive zone starts, but he's still always on the right side of the ledger. Last year he played a lot with Barkov and Reinhart, but with Barkov having a down year, that line never really clicked, especially combined with a tiny bit of a sophomore slump. After being moved away from highly offensive guys like Barkov and Reinhart for players like Cousins and Luostarinen, his numbers are about the same as last year, but I think he's playing better. His game is becoming more complete. His faceoff percentage has increased every year and is now over 52%. He checks well, and is especially strong on the forecheck, disrupting breakouts for the other team. He's really learning how to play the NHL game well, and is only 22.

He does have offensive skill, but it's *not* in that top tier of skill players. Instead, he uses his feet and hockey smarts to get into good positions almost always. Average to above average speed. Reads the play pretty well in all 3 zones, and can use his body to protect the puck to make a play. Not overly physical, but can lay a solid body check now and then to take the puck away. Pretty strong at takeaways, and can turn the puck over with his defensive game to get an offensive chance for himself or his linemates. Rarely makes a defensive mistake or poor read.

In my mind, he's already a fantastic 3rd line center, and if not for guys like Barkov and Bennett ahead of him on a deep group of forwards, he'd be the 2nd line center on the team. But he has great chemistry with Luostarinen, so they pretty much stick together. The comparable is Backlund, but I think he's way ahead of where Backlund was at 22 years old. Similar style of player, but he'll be a better player over his career. He's not a top line center, but he could be a top line complementary winger if a team needed that. He would instantly slot into one of the top two lines if he were on the Flames right now.

At just 22 years old with 3 full years of experience under his belt, playing big important playoff games, and cost controlled for another 5 years? Just an absolute gem of a player to build around if you could get him. That cost controlled thing is a big reason why the Panthers don't want to trade him, but he is up for a new RFA contract next year, and I think they're wary of the cap for next year and trying to fit him in with all the other guys they need to re-sign, but he would be cheaper than the other UFAs they have, so again, tough to give up a cost controlled asset like that for Hanifin as a rental. Now, Hanifin signed is a different story, so if they can get that to happen, this could be a deal with another pick or mid-tier prospect from the Panthers thrown in.

Just my two-cents.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

All those trades sucked. We also would have tied up 7x7 to Bishop.

I just don’t like trading 1sts for a goalie was what I was getting at.

That’s why Holtz and a 1st feels like an overpayment for Markstrom.

Aaron thinks starting goalies are the most valuable asset in the NHL.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

All those trades sucked. We also would have tied up 7x7 to Bishop.

I just don’t like trading 1sts for a goalie was what I was getting at.

That’s why Holtz and a 1st feels like an overpayment for Markstrom.

We used the cap space we saved to sign Troy Brouwer. It all worked out in my mind.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's not what I've read today. There's charts and graphs ppl saying Ekblad and Forsling make up one of the best D pairings in the league.

Good together, but so much of that is Forsling. He's ridiculously underrated. Ekblad is a nice complement to Forsling's game, but his overall game has declined over the years due to so many injuries. Still a strong and capable competitor.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

We used the cap space we saved to sign Troy Brouwer. It all worked out in my mind.

We got Tkachuk so it did work out for us.

6th overall for Ben Bishop and a 7x7 would have been some of the worst pieces of business by a GM.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Late to the discussion, but here's my two cents.

Lundell seamlessly entered the NHL and was able to have a very strong first year offensively, but part of that was playing with Reinhart and Mason Marchment for the vast majority of the year. Most of that was even strength too. He had eye popping advanced stat metrics for a rookie with an xG% of 55.4%. Strong defensive metrics and drove the puck consistently into the offensive zone. All while having offensive zone starts of just 48%.

That xG% number dropped a little the last two years to 53 and 52%, and he's been given a lot more offensive zone starts, but he's still always on the right side of the ledger. Last year he played a lot with Barkov and Reinhart, but with Barkov having a down year, that line never really clicked, especially combined with a tiny bit of a sophomore slump. After being moved away from highly offensive guys like Barkov and Reinhart for players like Cousins and Luostarinen, his numbers are about the same as last year, but I think he's playing better. His game is becoming more complete. His faceoff percentage has increased every year and is now over 52%. He checks well, and is especially strong on the forecheck, disrupting breakouts for the other team. He's really learning how to play the NHL game well, and is only 22.

He does have offensive skill, but it's in that top tier of skill players. Instead, he uses his feet and hockey smarts to get into good positions almost always. Average to above average speed. Reads the play pretty well in all 3 zones, and can use his body to protect the puck to make a play. Not overly physical, but can lay a solid body check now and then to take the puck away. Pretty strong at takeaways, and can turn the puck over with his defensive game to get an offensive chance for himself or his linemates. Rarely makes a defensive mistake or poor read.

In my mind, he's already a fantastic 3rd line center, and if not for guys like Barkov and Bennett ahead of him on a deep group of forwards, he'd be the 2nd line center on the team. But he has great chemistry with Luostarinen, so they pretty much stick together. The comparable is Backlund, but I think he's way ahead of where Backlund was at 22 years old. Similar style of player, but he'll be a better player over his career. He's not a top line center, but he could be a top line complementary winger if a team needed that. He would instantly slot into one of the top two lines if he were on the Flames right now.

At just 22 years old with 3 full years of experience under his belt, playing big important playoff games, and cost controlled for another 5 years? Just an absolute gem of a player to build around if you could get him. That cost controlled thing is a big reason why the Panthers don't want to trade him, but he is up for a new RFA contract next year, and I think they're wary of the cap for next year and trying to fit him in with all the other guys they need to re-sign, but he would be cheaper than the other UFAs they have, so again, tough to give up a cost controlled asset like that for Hanifin as a rental. Now, Hanifin signed is a different story, so if they can get that to happen, this could be a deal with another pick or mid-tier prospect from the Panthers thrown in.

Just my two-cents.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

[The Cobra]

Stankoven just got his first goal and assist of his NHL career.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We got Tkachuk so it did work out for us.

6th overall for Ben Bishop and a 7x7 would have been some of the worst pieces of business by a GM.

That was never going to be the trade, so maybe the trade does not happen then but the offer I seem to remember was the 2017 first and a prospect like Hickey. I don’t recall the proposed trade ever being the 6th overall pick for Ben Bishop.

[timbit]

Stankoven now has a goal and assist for Dallas, to tie Isles 2-2, on his 21st bday.

2nd game in NHL.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That was never going to be the trade, so maybe the trade does not happen then but the offer I seem to remember was the 2017 first and a prospect like Hickey. I don’t recall the proposed trade ever being the 6th overall pick for Ben Bishop.

Pretty sure the trade talked about was that 6th pick?

https://flamesnation.ca/news/amp/rep...op-three-times

This says the rumoured deal was 6th overall.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

100% zero chance that is the offer on the table, the deal would be done already. If you subtract Mercer it’s probably closer to reality.

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Sorry Diss, I didn’t think Casey and Vanecek were part of rumoured Markstrom deal. So my mistake. If that was the case then there needs to be a big add.

Just find it hard to believe they would offer Mercer, Holtz and Casey along with a 1st. That would be robbery for Conroy.

I think that is pretty fair for en extended Hanifin and a #1 Vezina calibre goalie locked in for a little over $3M a year. Vanecek is a pure dump, he is a solid backup but he is never a guy that is going to win you a Cup. I could even forego the 1st in my mind to make it happen.

Holtz
Mercer
Casey
Vanecek

Markstrom (50% retained)
Hanifin (8 year extension)

That seems like pretty fair value.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

100%

I would let Tanev walk for nothing before trading him to the oilers

I get that. But it would be hilariously bad if the Oilers were the only team offering a package that includes a 1st rounder, and instead of trading him to a rival, we traded him to another team for a lesser package only to have that team turnaround and trade him to Edmonton for a package that includes a 1st.

Don't underestimate the hockey gods love for ####ting on us.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I get that. But it would be hilariously bad if the Oilers were the only team offering a package that includes a 1st rounder, and instead of trading him to a rival, we traded him to another team for a lesser package only to have that team turnaround and trade him to Edmonton for a package that includes a 1st.

Don't underestimate the hockey gods love for ####ting on us.

Or worse, Tanev signed with the Oilers after the season and they get him for nothing.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by timbit

Stankoven now has a goal and assist for Dallas, to tie Isles 2-2, on his 21st bday.

2nd game in NHL.

Flames scouts have been pretty good recently but not sure how they missed him when they theoretically had scouted him the entire year befor when they were looking at Zary. That entire draft class in 2021 outside of Coronato and Beck they took big players with limited offensive skill. It was certainly a deviation from their drafting record in terms of size and skillset in the previous drafts.